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"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "> Lisa Heft wrote : </span>One less thing, and one more remembrance that telling a fact does is not the thing that makes a person feel it. Being in an experience does.</div></div></span></span></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div><div><div><br></div>Then HO wrote: </div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; ">The 5</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; "><sup>th</sup></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; "> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; ">Principle could help us to avoid missing all the truly great Open Space of the world simply because they don’t have a “proper” venue as we might understand “venue.” So if you were to ask was Tahrir Square an Open Space I suspect the immediate answer from a lot of people would be No. After all the venue was not pre-determined, people did not sit in a circle, and for sure you could not find the facilitator. Case Closed.</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">The differentiation between OSTech and OS Spirit (often used explicitly a while ago, but apparently melting together for the last couple of 100s of postings) seems to be useful if I connect these thoughts:</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">From the OS Spirit "point of view" used by Lisa here: <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Open Space is where you feel/perceive/experience it (so: if you are able & open yourself: it is everywhere)</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">From the OST "point of view" used by HO in your playful way to point out the contradiction: <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Venue, pre-determined, circles, facilitator,...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">So the way I see it now is: all such efforts that are usually limited to short periods of time, which I had the luck to experience in my life like ...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">OST, </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">freedom-movements, </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">reaching a level of dialogue without domination (see: Habermas) e.g. in advanced group-dynamics' trainings </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">sucessfully analyse resistence structures (see: Freud),</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">free schools</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">meditation </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">?</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">?</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">?</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; "> </span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">... they all can become gateways on the voyage towards something that may not be limited to a short period of time: sustainable OPEN SPACE</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">And maybe I did not make it clear in my first posting: although I do not need the 5th principle for explicitly facilitate OST, HOs 5th-principle idea reconnected me mentally to the many places/spaces I had "accidently" and luckily gone to during my life exactly when the context/conditions/karma? for opening was in place. And it was so evident, that I could not believe that I had not seen it before. I only had to accept that the experience spaces in my head that I had labeled as "temporary bubbles of freedom" melted together with "Open Space" this morning. </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">So thank you for this multi-logue on a (non-?) fifth principle of OS(T)</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">And here comes an invitation. I would be very interested to get also your ideas and creativity for completing the "list of OS gates" that I opened above.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>MY QUESTION IS: </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>"WHAT OTHER GATEWAYS ON THE VOYAGE TOWARDS SUSTAINABLE OPEN SPACE HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED OR KNOW OF?"</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">Bernd</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">P.S. Decision taken meanwhile: I WILL facilitate an open space as second part of the workshop "Playing with the Waves (of Change)" in two weeks near Ephesos in Turkey (see below).</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">P.S. 2 Sorry for the last 2 long postings, but when new ideas are whooshing around in my head I am not able to express myself in a few clear words, its always mud and gold together</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006312"><br></font></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">Bernd Weber</div><div style="font-size: 12px; "><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Change Facilitation s.r.o., <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(20, 79, 174); ">A Global Partner Who Makes Change Happen in Complex Environments; <a href="http://www.change-facilitation.com">www.change-facilitation.com</a>, <a href="http://www.change-management-toolbook.com">www.change-management-toolbook.com</a> <a href="mailto:bernd.weber@change-facilitation.org">bernd.weber@change-facilitation.org</a>; (</span></font>iPhone Austria: +43 664 135 4828<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(20, 79, 174); ">, landline + 431 5968657); Sri Lanka landline +94 11 2785859, </span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); ">iPhone Sri Lanka: +94 777740757,</span></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="font-size: 12px; "><div><div><br></div></div></div><div style="font-size: 12px; "><div><div>NEW: Intensive Learning Workshop </div><div>"Playing with the Waves of Change" </div><div><a href="http://www.change-facilitation.com/">www.change-facilitation.com/</a></div></div></div><div style="font-size: 12px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">You want to have the design for a "Playing with the Waves (of Change) WS 2 completely taylor-made according to your individual learning interests & needs & limitations? 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