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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bernd – How could you possibly apologize for the delightful posting to this LIST? For me useful conversations always go in a circle with lots of mud and gold along the way. And I feel this conversation is profoundly useful. Thank You!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And your question is provoking in a very good sense. I started to answer and realized that any answer was inadequate – the gateways were so numerous as to be uncountable. Even worse what might seem like a gateway became a blind alley in retrospect. And blind alleys suddenly opened in unexpected ways. The story of my life! But maybe it is possible to answer on a more generic level? Two words stand out for me: Attractive and Anomaly. And then there is what I might call the “Tap Door.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Most of the gateways of my experience first appear as Attractive. That attraction is usually rather subtle, rather like the smell of baking bread. There is a growing awareness of something nice – but what that might be I am never quite sure. And so there is the gentle urge to investigate. None of this is to be confused with what some might call “mission and purpose.” Truthfully I have only a limited sense of what got my attention and no idea of where it might lead. Curiosity would be a good word here. Sort of like a kitten exploring a shopping bag, or something. The bag image, however, is misleading because I never have a strong sense of inside and outside – I get gently sucked in </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I become aware of “being inside” only after the fact and usually with a feeling of anomaly. Things don’t quite make sense, and my expectations are out of line with my experience. In the really fun situations I feel like Alice in Wonderland, knowing that “This isn’t Kansas.” There is also a sense of discomfiture and disorientation which has a bitter sweet quality. What I have taken to be given and assured is somehow compromised. In worse case scenarios “up” becomes “down” – but it is surely exciting. Space is open.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The we come to the “trap door” experience. On a perfectly calm, fine day while walking along minding my business – suddenly I fall through a hole. Nothing subtle or gentle – but space opens with a rush that literally takes your breath away. In the moment there may be a bit of panic (a lot of panic?) – but in retrospect such times have become the watersheds of my life. I can’t say I would like to repeat them, but I have no regrets.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>7808 River Falls Dr.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Potomac, MD 20854<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>USA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Phone 301-365-2093<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>www.openspaceworld.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>www.ho-image.com (Personal Website)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:</span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:blue'>http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</span></a><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bernd Weber<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] The 5th Principle / Sardinia leading to "Gateways to Sustainable OS"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> Lisa Heft wrote : </span></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>One less thing, and one more remembrance that telling a fact does is not the thing that makes a person feel it. Being in an experience does.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Then HO wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The 5<sup>th</sup> Principle could help us to avoid missing all the truly great Open Space of the world simply because they don’t have a “proper” venue as we might understand “venue.” So if you were to ask was Tahrir Square an Open Space I suspect the immediate answer from a lot of people would be No. After all the venue was not pre-determined, people did not sit in a circle, and for sure you could not find the facilitator. Case Closed.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The differentiation between OSTech and OS Spirit (often used explicitly a while ago, but apparently melting together for the last couple of 100s of postings) seems to be useful if I connect these thoughts:</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>From the OS Spirit "point of view" used by Lisa here: </span></span><span class=apple-tab-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></span><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Open Space is where you feel/perceive/experience it (so: if you are able & open yourself: it is everywhere)</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>From the OST "point of view" used by HO in your playful way to point out the contradiction: </span></span><span class=apple-tab-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></span><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Venue, pre-determined, circles, facilitator,...</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So the way I see it now is: all such efforts that are usually limited to short periods of time, which I had the luck to experience in my life like ...</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OST, </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>freedom-movements, </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>reaching a level of dialogue without domination (see: Habermas) e.g. in advanced group-dynamics' trainings </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>sucessfully analyse resistence structures (see: Freud),</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>free schools</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>meditation </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>? </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>... they all can become gateways on the voyage towards something that may not be limited to a short period of time: sustainable OPEN SPACE</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And maybe I did not make it clear in my first posting: although I do not need the 5th principle for explicitly facilitate OST, HOs 5th-principle idea reconnected me mentally to the many places/spaces I had "accidently" and luckily gone to during my life exactly when the context/conditions/karma? for opening was in place. And it was so evident, that I could not believe that I had not seen it before. I only had to accept that the experience spaces in my head that I had labeled as "temporary bubbles of freedom" melted together with "Open Space" this morning. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So thank you for this multi-logue on a (non-?) fifth principle of OS(T)</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And here comes an invitation. I would be very interested to get also your ideas and creativity for completing the "list of OS gates" that I opened above.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></span><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>MY QUESTION IS: </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></span><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>"WHAT OTHER GATEWAYS ON THE VOYAGE TOWARDS SUSTAINABLE OPEN SPACE HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED OR KNOW OF?"</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bernd</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>P.S. Decision taken meanwhile: I WILL facilitate an open space as second part of the workshop "Playing with the Waves (of Change)" in two weeks near Ephesos in Turkey (see below).</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>P.S. 2 Sorry for the last 2 long postings, but when new ideas are whooshing around in my head I am not able to express myself in a few clear words, its always mud and gold together</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Bernd Weber<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>Change Facilitation s.r.o., </span><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#144FAE'>A Global Partner Who Makes Change Happen in Complex Environments; <a href="http://www.change-facilitation.com">www.change-facilitation.com</a>, <a href="http://www.change-management-toolbook.com">www.change-management-toolbook.com</a> <a href="mailto:bernd.weber@change-facilitation.org">bernd.weber@change-facilitation.org</a>; (</span></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>iPhone Austria: +43 664 135 4828<span class=apple-style-span><span style='color:#144FAE'>, landline + 431 5968657); Sri Lanka landline +94 11 2785859, </span><span style='color:blue'>iPhone Sri Lanka: +94 777740757,</span></span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>NEW: Intensive Learning Workshop <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>"Playing with the Waves of Change" <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'><a href="http://www.change-facilitation.com/">www.change-facilitation.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>You want to have the design for a "Playing with the Waves (of Change) WS 2 completely taylor-made according to your individual learning interests & needs & limitations? Then go to the questionnaire at<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'><a href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5ZDS6JQ">www.surveymonkey.com/s/5ZDS6JQ</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>If you get Email from my account <<a href="mailto:bernd.weber@change-facilitation.org">bernd.weber@change-facilitation.org</a>> please do not use the reply button but answer to <<a href="mailto:weberb@gmx.at">weberb@gmx.at</a>>, because my <a href="http://change-facilitation.org">change-facilitation.org</a> INBOX is not working for the time being.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>