<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Bernd - thank you for your thoughts on implicit and explicit and for your eloquent reminder that 'wherever we open space in the sense of OST. There are no other places. There is only a HERE.'<div><br></div><div>I appreciate this exploration -and- I, too, would not personally add a 5th Principle. First, because less is more. Second, because Open Space allows one to be...here...now.</div><div>So the process shows right place eloquently already.</div><div>I do not have to say it.</div><div>One less thing, and one more remembrance that telling a fact does is not the thing that makes a person feel it. Being in an experience does.</div><div><br></div><div>However I do enjoy this exploration...</div><div><br></div><div>From a sunny Spring morning in California,</div><div>Lisa</div><div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-style: normal; 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"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 14px; font-weight: bold; "><br></span></div></span></font></span></font></i></span></font></div></span></b></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); "><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium; font-weight: normal; "><div style="display: inline !important; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#811107" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; "><i><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 10px/normal 'Trebuchet MS'; color: rgb(155, 44, 1); display: inline !important; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 14px; font-weight: bold; ">Lisa Heft</span></div></span></font></span></font></i></span></font></div></span></b></span></div></span></span></div></span></font></span></font></i></span></font></div></span></b></span></font></div><div>Consultant, Facilitator, Educator</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">Opening Space</font></b></span></div><div><a href="mailto:lisaheft@openingspace.net">lisaheft@openingspace.net</a></div><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "> </span></div></div></div></span></div></span></span></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div></span></div></span> </div><br><div><div>On May 24, 2011, at 5:13 AM, Bernd Weber wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font><div><br></div><div><snip></div></div></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>YES of course: WHEREVER IT IS, is the right place</div><div><br></div><div>But here comes my </div><div>----</div><div>NO:</div><div>----</div><div><br></div><div>I want to differentiate between implicit and explicit. I can easily accept that the RIGHTPLACE thing is or might be an implicit principle.</div><div><br></div><div><snip></div><div><br></div><div>So, of course this 5th "principle" makes us aware, that Open Space does and did happen at places, we never would have thought, like Harrisons story about Claudias story made clear to me, that there have been many OS events in revolutionary movements throughout history, alright. </div><div><br></div><div>But wherever we open space in the sense of OST. There are no other, places. There is only a HERE. So whats the use ot make "Wherever it is, is the right place" a fifth principle?</div><div><br></div><div>And there is a very nice meta-principle that Harrison repeatedly used, and I think it IS important: "Let us think about one less things to do". The meta-principle of minimal intervention, the old great idea of Occhams rasor.</div><div><br></div><div>So my conclusion is:</div><div><br></div><div>Yeah, great storytelling. And maybe some more understanding of "underlying things" with regard to Open Space, but we do not need to have a 5th principle and to bother future participants with such a principle that does not help to inhibit bad habits of communication in Open Space.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Bernd/Bernard </span></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Colombo/Sri Lanka</span></font></span></font></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>