this conversation reminds me of how i got started in this community. <br clear="all"> <br>i was invited by sheila isakson to attend a conference convened by ralph copleman. at that conference i met lisa kimball and a bunch of other (now) friends. lisa and colleagues invited me into an online conferencing setup (called metanet) they'd been using to share stories about open space. this was 1996 and it had been going for about 4 years. <br>
<br>those years spanned a time when open space was new enough as a practice that the "big" questions among practitioners was "will ost work in a church?" and "what about a school?" clients still ask these things, but it seemed then that even people who'd used it in meetings were still exploring the limits of this way of working. so i got to read (and did read voraciously) every post from all four years. so when i went 10 months later to osonos4, i met newbies and old hands, and could sort of tell them apart from having read so much. i felt like i'd been "in" for four years.<br>
<br>we now have list archives even farther back than we used to (thanks to harold and peggy), have a look back at the archives. pick your favorite apparently old hand and search for their name and "how to" and see what comes. or name and "wondering" or "what if". or just go read anyone's earliest postings. nobody came into this knowing what it was. even harrison didn't play this way until os-3. it's one big fat experiment, all the way down.<br>
<br>and, by the way, if you ask anyone who was there for osonos4 and they might recall that harrison was the opener and convener of that one, and upon finishing the usual opening briefing turned to look at the wall, only to notice that there was no grid of post-its. <oops> and you know what? it still worked. the year after that, we experimented with two people walking the circle simultaneously, sharing the opening task. that worked too but, how shall we say? ...didn't exactly catch on. <br>
<br>i guess the other thing to notice is that there isn't anyone who's done any amount of posting on this list, who hasn't made a post (that perhaps they thought was brilliant) and then heard NOTHING in return. was that because we'd left everyone speechless with awe? totally confused? bored? or just elsewhere busy? we'll never know, but don't let that slow you down, either. <br>
<br>in the end, i think might be the form not the people that are intimidating and challenging. we're a big group. and having said all this, thought all this, bothered to type it... do i really need to send it? maybe. maybe not. but why not? what can it hurt? and might it help? like everything else around here... we might never know for sure.<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/30 Harrison Owen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Being the lazy sort I am simply forwarding my response to Suzanne – which I had re-titled, “Invitation for Discussion. And Suzanne, thank you for coming out…!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Harrison </span></p><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Harrison Owen [mailto:<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 30, 2011 10:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Suzanne Daigle'<br><b>Subject:</b> An Invitation for Discussion</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Suzanne – I wish you had posted this on OSLIST. I totally get what you are saying and doubtless you are speaking for others than yourself. It is a discussion that needs to happen in the open (space </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">J</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">). You mention “intimidation” –I guess I would prefer a word like “challenging.” Here’s the issue. Were I (and other “older” folks) to possess some absolute authority combined with a history of issuing dictates as to what must be believed – my way or the highway, so to speak – that is definitely intimidating. On the other hand were I to simply offer my experience and my thoughts about that experience, that (it seems to me) is in the nature of a challenge to you and others to consider the possibilities and to make up your own mind. Of course I could simply avoid the conversation which might be easier all the way around. But presuming that I have some value to offer taking this course doesn’t seem very responsible to me.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">There is an inherent difficulty in all of this deriving from an (unfortunately) common experience in organizational life where it is typical that One Leader Lays down the Law – and the lesser folks obey. In such circumstances, even a carefully expressed “opinion” is taken to be a veiled threat (intimidating). Catch 22!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">There is actually something deeper going on, I hope. The truth of the matter is I really don’t care what/which “process” people use – and that would include Open Space to the extent that it is considered a process along with all the rest. It would be my fervent hope that all such processes might be consigned to the historical bin for “Interesting Experiments along the way.” For some people who might define their life purpose as becoming better facilitators this is clearly madness and heresy. For them the task at hand is the creation of more and better processes. My purpose is rather different. I look for a day when human beings find themselves able to engage in meaningful relationships without the necessity for artificial supports. That day may not be soon coming, but it is possible, I believe. And the evidence comes from our experience with Open Space – which has shown us, I think, that the essential mechanism is already hardwired into our consciousness. We simply have to be – fully, consciously and intentionally what we already are – self organizing. It is not about inventing something new, but taking advantage of what is.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">From this point of view – all such processes are at best half way efforts, and can become the equivalent of “enablers,” as the term is used in the treatment of addictive behaviors. To the extent that our attachment to Control – with a capital “C” is an addiction – I find that much of what is now taking place under the heading of Facilitated Processes is not unlike offering an alcoholic a drink. It may take away take away the pain of the DT’s but does nothing to mend the underlying pathology. At best this behavior is misguided, but when done with full knowledge of the pathological situation, I think it verges on the criminal. That is pretty serious stuff.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">But there is a very powerful and effective detox program. Not only does it work, but it is even pleasant, exhilarating and fun. We call it Open Space. But the point of any detox program is not to develop a lifetime clientele (even though that is good for billable hours) – but to get folks to the point that they can move on with life. My mantra with Open Space has always been, “Think of one more thing not to do.” Eventually you are doing nothing at all – which is as it should be.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Then what? Will we have achieved Nirvana? I doubt it. But at the very least we will be playing with a full (at least a fuller) deck of cards as we face the incredible challenges of our world. No guarantees for sure, but it will be exciting – I think.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">So there you have it – open for discussion!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Suzanne Daigle [mailto:<a href="mailto:sdaigle4@gmail.com" target="_blank">sdaigle4@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 29, 2011 8:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Harrison Owen<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="KO">답장</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">: FW: Once again: Blending OST with Training - an absolute NO NO?</span></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Harrison, Let me tell you the real truth of why I wrote this and then you can slap me on the side of the head and know I still have lots to learn ( controlling ways -- I hope not?!) You know I want the whole enchilada and "sturdy heart and soul" speaks to me...a hardy Canadian after all and the one who's nuts about Open Space. And yes, you did jerk my chain again and challenged me about why not do "just" OS which I love. Keep jerking my chain on that :-}<br>
<br>However as someone that became enamored with this Open Space not that long ago, I still remember what courage it took me to pose the questions that Bernd or others do at times. I notice in the answers that sometimes the discussions get cut short because the answers of those who have been at this so long seem so very definitive. I remember when I will still figuring things out, how comforting it was to hear some voices that seemed a bit more like mine and how in the end, they helped me find my courage as much as the definitive truths that I could not then know, those spoken by people who I felt beyond my reach like you, Michael P, Spark, Herman and others. <br>
<br>Their support helped me learn and grown and made me feel just a bit less intimidated. So sometimes, me as the beginner still, I wish with all my heart that I can give courage to others as people gave me courage. At the same time, I worry that this may be an old controlling way but then I say the hell with it, I will trust my heart and intuition cause in the end, I want so many others to experience and love Open Space as I do. Every time I do something else, I discover that and only then when I live it myself can I really know.<br>
<br>Now how's all that for a big fat enchilada!<br><br>Suzanne<br><br>P.S. Would you have been open or free to have a short chat with Chuni and I on our New Jersey gig. It continues to be interesting and I think it would be so wonderful if we could share some stories and have both of us listen to what you have to say. I'm home next Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. </p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">2011/4/29 Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Suzanne <span lang="KO">–</span> I think the truth might be <span lang="KO">–</span> anytime you open space, even a little bit <span lang="KO">–</span> that<span lang="KO">’</span>s better than the <span lang="KO">“</span>closed<span lang="KO">”</span> space of the <span lang="KO">“</span>standard<span lang="KO">”</span> discussion. But the question arises <span lang="KO">–</span> why go for the <span lang="KO">“</span>little bit<span lang="KO">”</span> when you could have the whole enchilada? </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Suzanne Daigle<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 29, 2011 6:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> OSLIST<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] <span lang="KO">답장</span>: FW: Once again: Blending OST with Training - an absolute NO NO?</span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">I can relate to Bernd's posting and getting stuck sometimes. <span style="font-size: 11pt;">I can also relate to the other postings advocating the benefits of "just" Open Space. In the end, this work is not easy. It is painful and blissful, often the doors shut as they open just a crack because of what Michael P. has just said: "our ability to see it (i.e. remembering open space) has withered under the forces of control".</span><br>
<br>So I too have wondered about opening space in other ways than Open Space when the doors seem tightly shut. I then wonder if I am dishonoring "freedom" and "choice", "self-organizing" and all that is embodied in the Law of 2 Feet and the 4 Principles. <br>
<br>Last night I was part of a team hosting a World Cafe. More than 60 people came, many strangers to each other, all hoping for a more diverse cross-cultural community. The event opened many hearts and sparked amazing conversations. As I sat there however, I felt myself imagining the possibilities of how ignited these same people might have been in Open Space. I knew it could have been more but then I had to stop myself knowing that what was happening in the moment was also magical. Truth be told, space opened last night. <br>
<br>So while I know deeply inside of me that Open Space is my first love, I do not shut the door when other spaces open in other ways. Hopefully as I learn to be a little less controlling every day, regressing and progressing, I can be "open space" in so many places even if I have not been successful to invite people to take a risk and Open up bigger Space.<br>
<br>Suzanne<br><br><br><br></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">2011/4/29 Stanley Park <<a href="mailto:spark.osk@gmail.com" target="_blank">spark.osk@gmail.com</a>></p><p>My experiece tells that it has to do with daring to face and be true self or not.</p>
<p>Seemingly scary dragon that has imprisoned our soul suddenly gets dwarfed upon resurgence of daring spirit. And I likely know spirit has been there in the deeps of our being always with all it's power to be invoked.</p>
<p>Ubiquitously powered by OST ;-))</p><p>spark</p><p>Director<br>Open Space Institute of Korea<br><a href="http://openspace.kr" target="_blank">http://openspace.kr</a></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">2011. 4. 29. <span lang="KO">오후</span> 10:53<span lang="KO">에</span> "Harrison Owen" <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>><span lang="KO">님이 작성</span>:</p>
<div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">My experience is that doing something <span lang="KO">“</span>formal<span lang="KO">”</span> first, followed by Open Space works very well. And it certainly isn<span lang="KO">’</span>t <span lang="KO">“</span>blended<span lang="KO">”</span> in any sense I would understand. What doesn<span lang="KO">’</span>t work is inserting Open Space into something else or inserting something else into Open Space. By <span lang="KO">“</span>not working,<span lang="KO">”</span> I mean that the flow is broken and people become confused even if they are apparently following along. The only down side of doing what you propose is that people will come up at the end to ask why they <span lang="KO">“</span>wasted<span lang="KO">”</span> all that time at the beginning? Doesn<span lang="KO">’</span>t always happen, but it happens often enough to make me notice. Have fun.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 29, 2011 7:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> OSLIST<br><b>Subject:</b> [OSList] Once again: Blending OST with Training - an absolute NO NO?</span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">
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