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I can only support what Donna says below – although I have been a member for few more weeks than 3.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Keep up all the great work. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks again<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> 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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#948A54'>Jon Harvey Associates Ltd<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#948A54'>Registered Office: Chandos House, School Lane, Buckingham, MK18 1HD<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#948A54'>Company Number 6661588. 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I belong to a lot of lists but this is the best one I have ever belonged to. I would hate to have something happen to it. I have learned so much in the three weeks I have belonged to it. Kind regards, Donna<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><img border=0 width=469 height=95 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:sigimg1@7800df548a56b992536dd2a4855f5d38"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id=replyBlockquote><div id=wmQuoteWrapper><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: oslist will end soon -- it's time to deliberate, decide<br>and act<br>From: Harold Shinsato <<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">harold@shinsato.com</a>><br>Date: Wed, December 01, 2010 4:50 pm<br>To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br><br>Michael,<br><br>Just a few clarifications - switching to Mailman would keep our archives as seamlessly integrated as they are now. It would be pretty similar to a straight ListServe to ListServe port. The advantage is that MailMan is free, has a strong user/developer base, and we would have full control over the webhosting - so it is less likely we would have to face this issue again of worrying about being homeless.<br><br>For OSList - we don't really need technical support after the port. We'd just need whatever support is getting done now on OSList to moderate the list membership. I don't know of any email list software that can protect you completely from trolls and spammers without a human being involved. If there are others willing to help with that task - it would be straightforward to explain how to do that - even if they're not technically oriented.<br><br> Harold<br><br>P.S. About porting archives to Mailman from Listserve - many people have posted articles about how to do this. I'd be interested in testing the porting process for the archives if you'd send me a link to the zip file of the archive files I could test the porting process and host the results so folks could compare. As convenient as it might be just to go from ListServe at Boise to some other benefactor, it's not clear to me that's necessarily the best option.<br><br><br>On 12/1/10 2:16 PM, Michael Herman wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>looking back at what harold sent earlier, it seems that the option he's proposing is one way to go forward with a new, manageable, cost-free and ad-free(!) conversation. the archive part is included, but only as a separate part, meaning the new messages won't hit the old archive. we'd have an old archive and then start growing a new one, nearby. so the best option is still to find another "listserv" user/customer to host our list. harold's option, as he's noted, is a second choice -- but i'd say it's an excellent one.<br><br>if we find another listserv host, we'll do pretty much nothing. the old guys will send all our stuff to the new guys, or maybe i'll be in teh middle of that, doing very complicated things like opening the envelope, repackaging and mailing to the new guys. if we go with harold's solution, we'll need him and perhaps others to do some techie things to make the archive work as an add-on (stand beside, i think) to the new list.<br><br>as for harold's question about my continuing to support, i am glad to help get this set up, but i'm not likely qualified to do anything very technical. and going forward, i'd prefer to have others step into the list sheparding tasks (small as they might be). i have one query out to a possible host, and if that host materializes, then i will stay on to support that connection. otherwise, i hope others will take this on.<br><br>m<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>-- <br>Harold Shinsato<br><a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com" target="_blank">harold@shinsato.com</a><br><a href="http://shinsato.com" target="_blank">http://shinsato.com</a><br>twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/hajush" target="_blank">@hajush</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>* * ========================================================== <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a> ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of <a href="mailto:oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu">oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>: <a href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal>* * ========================================================== OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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