<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}ul {padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; list-style: disc outside;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px"><ul><li>Michael thank you so much for all you have done and are doing. Because of you so many of us had a historical treasure trove of virtual conversations with questions, dialogues and debates that are as relevant today as they were when they were first posted. And Harold thank you so much for all this technical behind the scenes expertise you are providing always looking for solutions that reflect the self-organizing spirit of our collaborative comminity.</li></ul><br>Suzanne an appreciative beneficiary of all this hard work.<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless<br></font></span></i></font></div><br>-----Original message-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>From: </b>Michael Herman <michael@michaelherman.com><b><br>To: </b>OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<b><br>Sent: </b>Thu, Jan 1, 1970 00:00:00 GMT+00:00<b><br>Subject: </b>Re: oslist will end soon -- it's time to deliberate, decide and act<br><br></div><div>looking back at what harold sent earlier, it seems that the option he's proposing is one way to go forward with a new, manageable, cost-free and ad-free(!) conversation. the archive part is included, but only as a separate part, meaning the new messages won't hit the old archive. we'd have an old archive and then start growing a new one, nearby. so the best option is still to find another "listserv" user/customer to host our list. harold's option, as he's noted, is a second choice -- but i'd say it's an excellent one.<br>
<br>if we find another listserv host, we'll do pretty much nothing. the old guys will send all our stuff to the new guys, or maybe i'll be in teh middle of that, doing very complicated things like opening the envelope, repackaging and mailing to the new guys. if we go with harold's solution, we'll need him and perhaps others to do some techie things to make the archive work as an add-on (stand beside, i think) to the new list.<br>
<br>as for harold's question about my continuing to support, i am glad to help get this set up, but i'm not likely qualified to do anything very technical. and going forward, i'd prefer to have others step into the list sheparding tasks (small as they might be). i have one query out to a possible host, and if that host materializes, then i will stay on to support that connection. otherwise, i hope others will take this on.<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Harold Shinsato <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">harold@shinsato.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Michael,<br>
<br>
This is just me talking - but I'm fairly certain that the board
would be happy to support this for free if the community wanted it.
Hopefully you might still be willing to handle some of the admin
stuff - I don't know who is doing what for the current OSList serve.
But I think it does take a little attention to moderate new
subscribers to avoid spammers - that would be true for a Google
group too.<br>
<br>
I definitely agree with you it would be best to move to another list
serve style service - and to port the archives to the new system -
it is best if all the archives would be in one place - not multiple.
I've done searches on the archives in the past trying to get ideas
about specific topics. It might get tricky for folks to have to work
with two different search places.<br>
<br>
Even though Google groups are attractive - it would feel odd seeing
Google ads at the bottom of all our OSList emails in the future. And
using Google gives them a non-expiring license to anything you write
- so you lose quite a few rights with a free Google service.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Harold<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 12/1/10 11:53 AM, Michael Herman wrote:
</div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div></div><div class="h5">this sounds great, harold. osi-us could get us into
the free deal? <br>
<br>
do you agree that best option is to migrate to another listserv
host and, failing that, fall back to this option?<br>
<br>
m<br>
<br>
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<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Harold
Shinsato <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com" target="_blank">harold@shinsato.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Hi Michael,<br>
<br>
Thanks for all your research on this. There's another option
to consider. The Open Space Institute for the US has managed
to start using the free and open source list serve software
that runs and looks almost exactly like the current
ListServe for free using a generous web hosting company that
gives out web host services to U.S. 501(c)(3) organizations.<br>
<br>
It takes very little administration - as the Web Hosting
company provides a one click install for the "Mailman"
program, which is the List Serve software which is widely
used:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html</a><br>
<br>
And there is even a path to maintain the logs for browsing
and searching in a similar way to how they are searchable
and browsable now. It would take a little techie work - but
I'd be happy to help with that.<br>
<br>
Even if we didn't want get help from a current 501(c)(3)
organization (which would make it free) going with this kind
of solution would only cost about $100 US a year.<br>
<br>
Harold
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On 12/1/10 10:47 AM, Michael Herman wrote:
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1. the oslist will cease to exist in its current form
not later than june of next year. <br>
2. boise state is migrating their own lists to
googlegroups<br>
3. boise state is NOT migrating any archives (so we're
on our own with that)<br>
4. our archives will be delivered to us on a single CD<br>
5. they will be in the form of 150 monthly log files
(roughly, 12 months x 12 years)<br>
6. these monthly files can be read easily in any text
editor<br>
7. they can be read less easily when opened directly in
a web browser application<br>
8. the BEST way to keep the archives and the list going
is another l-soft listserv host org<br>
9. finding another listserv host organization is
something anyone can help with... now!<br>
10. we already have <a href="mailto:oslist@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">oslist@googlegroups.com</a>
set up, so that's available if/when we want to use it</blockquote>
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