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mso-fareast-language:PT">Thanks for your wise comments, Michael.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
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mso-fareast-language:PT">Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne@boscop.org><br>
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mso-fareast-language:PT">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
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mso-fareast-language:PT">Mon, November 15, 2010 9:55:58 AM<br>
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mso-fareast-language:PT">Re: [OSLIST] OST following a creative enhacing
training<br>
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Dear Lisa, dear Artur...<br>
basically, Lisas notes reflect my experience with about 200 os events over the
last 14 years.<br>
In the early days of my practice I spoke quite a bit about "Open
Space" (how it came about, the originator, etc.).<br>
For some time now, I might mention "Open Space" once (if you
look at the introduction which is part of the book "Meine open space
Praxis" I pick up on "Open Space" in response to something the
sponsor/my client said in his remarks...in this case he mentioned that Open
Space is also fun).<br>
There always are a few sentences in the invitation to the event about OST,
however.<br>
Also, I say practically nothing about the "Theme" but encourage the
sponsor/my client to do a bit of that in his "Welcome" (where he
actually opens the space with traditional welcoming words, saying something
about the Theme and, most importantly, talks a bit about his own passion...no
more than 5 minutes for all of that).<br>
And I also "explain" or rather illustrate each principle, the law,
the bumble bees, the butterfly in my words...<br>
All this is done to reduce the time before the participants start to act
themselves...and I discovered over the years that the simpler, shorter, more
matter-of-fact... the introduction became, the easier it seemed for the
participants to get "into the spirit" , forget about the facilitator,
do their thing...and in my observation expanded the possibilities for the
forces of selforganisation to do its thing (which, I find, is not the same as
the apparent self-organizing mode the participants get into).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-fareast-language:PT">I agree with everything and thank you for sharing your
vast experience.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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On first reading, I was comfortable about what you said about
"training" and that Open Space meetings are not trainings. And then I
remember how I used to do "trainings" twenty years ago and how I
facilitate trainings for Open Space Technology these days... and that is
certainly vastly different from the "traditional" trainigs I used to
do. Perhaps this is a different topic but briefly, in OST trainings I am
involved in there is absolutely no "explaining" on my part
(participants explain it to themselves and to each other, I suppose)... I tell
participants before the training that there is no way to learn or teach OST
but, at best, it can be "remembered"... and that takes about 5 days.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-fareast-language:PT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#BF00BF;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;
mso-fareast-language:PT">I must confess that I am a bit uncomfortable with
training on OST. On one hand I agree with you that the best way is to do it in
the OST way. But that takes time (5 days in your case) and quite often people
don't have that time to spend. So I now do a two parts training of one and an
(almost) half day each (Friday evening and Saturday all day), separated by two
to four weeks, and I recommend participants to open some space in the meantime.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
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mso-fareast-language:PT">Warn regards from a sunny day in Lisbon</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
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mso-fareast-language:PT">Artur</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;
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color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT"><o:p></o:p></span></p></font></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: black; "><br></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: black; ">--------------<br><br>Greetings from Berlin<br>mmp<br><br>Lisa Heft wrote:<br>> Hi, Artur -<br>> <br>> Regarding the outdoor experiences the day before an Open Space: many things can happen the day before an Open Space. But as Open Space delivers intimate passionate discussion, relationship-building, a sense of community or team, energetic interchange and even laughter - I not only see no reason to design in preliminary activities *but* have actually seen an Open Space suffer after these. And I have seen the same as Harrison noted - participants have often said 'why didn't
you give us more time for our work / play / discussion in Open Space - we could have used it'.<br>> This includes introduction / warm-up / 'icebreaker' activities. Even going around in a circle hearing what everyone's name and title is seems to be taking up valuable time for participants - they always say how they came to know and remember each other much more deeply because of their shared interests and spirited discussions in the Open Space and that a traditional introduction both is hard to remember plus can often set up assumptions about who is supposedly who.<br>> <br>> Regarding the introduction / explanation of Open Space - I feel strongly that one should explain the principles and law BEFORE opening up the floor for topics / agenda co-creation.<br>> Because you are explaining / inviting a different way of being. You are explaining when you explain principles and law that everything is possible, including visiting multiple discussions
during a single session.<br>> You are letting people know to follow the energy of the conversations rather than their pre-conceived agendas.<br>> And you are also letting people know that even if one person comes that is exactly the amazing perfect thing - they can write in silence and contribute even if they have a completely different way of thinking.<br>> The explanation of principles and laws (not just the reading of the text on the posters) is one of the essential invitations in Open Space, I believe.<br>> <br>> Also: your client said that they do that certain way (explaining only each thing as needed) for ***trainings****.<br>> That is a very good way to do a training.<br>> Open Space meetings are not trainings. <br>> A very important difference for design, explanation, dynamics, information the participants need for their self-organized work, objectives, outcomes and more. Right?<br>> <br>> Lisa<br>> <br>>
<br>> *<br>> /<br>> Lisa Heft<br>> /<br>> *<br>> Consultant, Facilitator, Educator<br>> *Opening Space*<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:lisaheft@openingspace.net" href="mailto:lisaheft@openingspace.net">lisaheft@openingspace.net</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:lisaheft@openingspace.net" href="mailto:lisaheft@openingspace.net">lisaheft@openingspace.net</a>><br>> On Nov 13, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Artur Silva wrote:<br>> <br>>> Thanks for your answer(s), Harrison.<br>>> And have you (ou others) any comments on my point 2 (the possible two-step opening)?<br>>> Rgds<br>>> Artur <br>> <br>> * * ========================================================== <a ymailto="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a> ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of <a
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