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    Harrison,<br>
    <br>
    Having been on (and worked with) many boards, I couldn't agree with
    you more. However, many organizations are required to have boards in
    order to legally administer money and to receive grants and to be
    able to issue tax receipts. Money, is unfortunately required for
    most activities. And then there is the issue of limited liability,
    i.e. if something goes wrong, no individual will be held liable.<br>
    <br>
    Then there is also the issue that any entity doing "good" works (for
    the betterment of the community/world etc.) is expected to be
    incorporated with a board of directors in order to get support from
    others.<br>
    <br>
    So while many organization are legally required to have boards, I
    also think many make the mistake of thinking that all the work has
    to happen at the board level. It might be far more effective to
    limit the board's role to only take care of the fiduciary duties
    (approve budgets etc.) and let other people take care of the rest. I
    have suggested this with some boards I've been on only to experience
    huge resistance.<br>
    <br>
    My 2 cents.<br>
    <br>
    Bui<br>
    <br>
    On 11/10/2010 5:45 PM, Harrison Owen wrote:
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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            73, 125);">Lisa – I love your thoughts Long or short. And
            doubtless
            those thoughts will be very contributory to all those
            concerned with Boards.
            But if there were no Boards…if we could get beyond Boards…
            What
            then? Ah yes, I know. Pollyannaish, Impractical, Dreamer.
            Guilty as charged.
            But I am not sure it is all that impractical. Considering
            the massive
            investment of time, energy and money in the business of
            boards, their
            elimination could yield some very positive and practical
            results –
            massive amounts of time, energy, and money available for
            other good causes. And
            could you really go Boardless? Well that is exactly what we
            have done for the
            past 25 years. And I would suggest that our efforts
            (collectively) have been
            very practical, pragmatic and contributory. We also have a
            lot of fun –
            which is a strict No/No on every board I have ever heard of.
            Having fun on a
            Board produces a level of cognitive dissonance I can’t quite
            deal with. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            73, 125);">Do I really think there would be a massive surge
            to
            Boardlessness? Hardly – given the current level of
            investment
            (psychological, professional and monetarily) in Boards.
            However as long as
            there are no useful alternatives there can be no surge at
            all. Taking a different
            tack – some folks have suggested becoming an Open Space
            Organization. I
            have a little difficulty with the concept if only because I
            think we already
            are open space organizations. We just don’t know it and/or
            are doing it
            badly. But that is a different issue to be left aside for
            the moment. Point is –
            if we had an Open Space Organization, what would the Board
            look like? I don’t
            think it would look like anything. It wouldn’t exist. Can
            you imagine
            having a Board for the ongoing Open Space Enterprise? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                </b>Lisa Heft<br>
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                <b>Subject:</b> Re: Youth Leaders (on Boards)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Hello dear colleagues -<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">So here are my 2 cents / pesos / rubles
            to add, from my
            experience on - and serving as facilitator-consultant to -
            youth and
            youth-serving organizational Boards, where young people have
            been involved at
            many levels.  I am no expert - this is just what I have
            experienced and observed.
             Just a few things I wish to share to keep in mind when
            thinking of
            including young people on a Board of Directors<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">The intention, as I understand it, is to
            *not* simply place
            young people on Boards (and other committees or volunteer or
            staff positions)
            in a way that tokenizes them. <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">(For those of you for whom English is not
            a home language -
            to tokenize someone means placing them in a symbolic role
            because of their
            characteristic - often meant as a negative term because the
            whole person is not
            being valued - they are just being used as an image)<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">And to me, it is important for the
            strength of an
            organization to always seek Board members who have the <u>skills</u>
            the Board
            needs - rather than just great people or public figures or
            charismatic people.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">To me, diversity is crucial - differences
            in culture and
            experience enrich the inquiry, the product, the
            organization, the group
            thinking...<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">But to me it would be tokenizing - and
            often I see it is
            unfair to the individual - to seek and place a young person
            on a Board (or a
            panel or a committee) if they are simply young (or female,
            or a former client
            or whatever) - if they do not also have the skills or
            resources (financial,
            participatory, knowledge) to strengthen the Board.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">There are amazing young people who are
            also incredible at
            things that Boards need, if you wish that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">And I have seen young people (and other
            community members)
            on Boards placed there and then not listened to, or given
            training in
            vocabulary, policy or other concepts crucial to their roles,
            or listened to
            with less emphasis than the business people or the adult
            people. And that is
            not diversity. It is not inclusion.  And it wears on the
            individual and
            they wonder why the heck they were chosen, if not for their
            full selves.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Remember also that most Boards have a
            fiduciary (fiscal)
            responsibility - if something goes wrong with the
            organization financially,
            Board members' own personal finances can be at risk.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Some Boards have Board insurance, some do
            not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Also many Boards have a requirement that
            Board Members
            donate or raise a certain amount for fund-raising. Or buy
            lunch at the place
            the Board meets. <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Does the young person (or other community
            member) in mind
            have the financial ability to do these things?<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I have seen it play out as a class issue
            - a cultural
            assumption on the part of very well-meaning, very nice
            fellow Board members.
             Someone's financial level, or how much they understand a
            Board's existing
            vocabulary, or assumptions about understanding of budgeting
            concepts - have in
            my observation often put the young person (or other
            community member) at the
            disadvantage for engaging equally in the conversations,
            decisions and other
            work of the Board.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Consider also the value of Advisory
            Boards - consisting
            totally of an organization's client or community members. A
            very valuable
            thing. So if the client or youth voice is important in the
            work of the
            organization (and I hope it is) there are many different
            possibilities for
            inclusion.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">And consider also that when we say 'young
            person' we may be
            in our heads thinking of different ages - 12? 19? 26? 30? -
            so the inclusion of
            'young people' on Boards may be very different depending on
            our definition for
            that organization's specific purposes and interests.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span
                    style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family:
                    "Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
                    color: black;">So all I am saying is - if
                    you feel you can truly support the young people you
                    wish to have join your
                    Board (so they can be equal, not a 'mascot' to the
                    Board, not exhausted by
                    trying to keep up with the others who speak and
                    afford things at a totally
                    different level), and if you can truly truly select
                    a young person who has
                    knowledge, skills and abilities that your Board
                    needs, if you can always be
                    learning about what that diverse individual may need
                    in order to truly be an
                    equal player, then - if it fits their personality
                    and their own learning /
                    professional / growth goals - being on a Board may
                    enrich both the young person
                    and the work of the organization. Sure, Board
                    meetings can be exceedingly
                    boring for most folks. But for some folks it is like
                    participating in student
                    government - they love it.</span></span><span
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                    style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family:
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                    color: black;">I have seen Boards who
                    thoughtfully include the unique and skilled
                    individual young person - and
                    provide them with ongoing support to equalize class
                    and financial differences -
                    benefit from working with their younger partners. I
                    have also seen really
                    well-intentioned inclusion of young people waste the
                    time and good nature of
                    the young person. </span></span><span
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                style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black;">That's more
                than 2 cents ... thanks for your patience in reading
                my longish thoughts...</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          color: black;">Consultant,
                                                          Facilitator,
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                                                          me about the </span></i><span
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                                                          Space Learning
                                                          Workshops </span></i></span><span
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                                                          December
                                                          15-17, 2010 -
                                                          San Francisco
                                                          and in 2011 --
                                                          and the</span></i></span><span
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