<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Michael,<div><br></div><div>To clarify, it was Doug who asked the question. My post was a response to it. Doug's post is below:</div><div><br></div><div>W</div><div><br><div><div>On 7-Jul-10, at 12:34 PM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#144FAE"><br></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Hi--<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">In a recent post, <a href="http://chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/?p=2839">http://chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/?p=2839</a> Chris<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Corrigan says "there is no outside."<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Chris has got me thinking again of the interplay of hosting and holding<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">space.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">As I see it today, holding space means having a view towards the health<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">of the whole system that is in the room—a global view that is larger<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">than the participants might have. So it is not noticing themes, because<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">my experience is that the facilitator is not into the trees enough to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">notice the paths in the woods.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">It is more that the facilitator is seeing that the woods is healthy for<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">all the beings there—little animals and large, birds and insects and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">flowers and trees. Of course that is an impossible task, since no one is<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">managing the forest. The forest self organizes itself.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">So we pick up the coffee cups and candy bar wrappers and pop cans that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">people semi-consciously leave behind and we let those who are active in<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the conversations know by our invisible presence that they are doing<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">things exactly right: whatever happens....<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">So can this be done from within the system? Is there any outside? Is<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">there not a certain hubris in thinking we can stay above and outside and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">hold the space...what? Together?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">How is hosting related to holding space? 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