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color:#1F497D'>Hi Michael and others on this thread<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Just adding that I think the social media sites that are
becoming more and more popular and also more widely used for all kinds of
interests, apart from pure private social interaction. I think that integrating
the follow up work in these places where people already hang out increases the
possibility of continued conversations, actions and networking. Just as a
sidenote, in Sweden more than 1/3 of the population is on Facebook…. Governmental
agencies, companies… you name it. LinkedIn is another space where I find
a lot going on regarding collaborative work/discussion groups etc. What do you
think about these options?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>För </b>Michael Herman<br>
<b>Skickat:</b> den 11 juni 2010 16:03<br>
<b>Till:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Ämne:</b> Re: OST + wiki = ProjectWiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>i'd like to study up a bit on
this drupal and org groups stuff, bob.<br>
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i've done a lot of things with wiki. some good success with capturing
things during an event. people can pick it up pretty quickly, but just
because they 'get' it during the event, doesn't mean they can fit it into their
lives. so the wikis mostly end when the event ends, in a more or less
finished state.<br>
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what i like better for capturing notes online now, is a simple blog. i
prefer to work in wiki, personally, but with groups and os events, the shape of
any standard blog seems more like the shape of the event. every session
gets its own blog post with notes and such. teh conversation can continue
easily in the comments section of each post. if there are followup
actions and such, those can be reported there. the whole of the thing
looks more like the wall then, issue, issue, issue, with some other notes on
the sidebar, the equivalent of "need ride to airport at whatever
time" or "resources we know about". there's room for clustering
issues like people do on the wall. and new issues can be posted
afterward, as they come up, in an obvious extension of the same basic format
established during the event.<br>
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the blog can link to lots of other thigns, including participants blogs on
related work. and the thing about a blog is that it's always looks sort
of "finished" where wikis can often be a bit rough and unfinished
looking.<br>
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yes, it might well fall to one or a few people to be the stewards of a blog,
where wiki's are more easily opened to everyone, but that too seems a bit like
open space... somebody is there to hold the space, bring the tape and markers,
schedule the room, manage the computer room. <br>
<br>
a couple years ago, we did a series of events and then some training in buffalo
new york. the sponsor of that work has moved on, and i'm not sure they
generated as many issues to work on and open space for as they thought they
would, if he'd stayed on in his cabinet position with the city. but
InvitingBuffalo.com is an example of this. haven't looked back there in a
while, but the earliest posts will have the form that i've suggested here.<br>
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it seems the simplest online meeting/proceedings that could possibly work.<br>
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Michael Herman<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Pat Black <<a
href="mailto:patoitextiles@gmail.com">patoitextiles@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Robert <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I totally agree that wikis and other technologies are no
replacement for face to face and can't have the powerful effects of
relationship building that the face to face experiences have. What they
are great at is allowing for those conversations to continue once there has
been a face to face. They also create a structure that can manage very
complex organizing amongst many people who are working on the same project and
document those efforts almost effortlessly. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I work with teachers to develop projects that integrate an
academic disciple with an art or environmental project to enhance understanding
and knowledge in the academic discipline. Documentation and assessment
has always been an issue for me as I have to step out of my role as teaching/
collaborating artist to document. This was always a perplexing issue for
both me and teachers but with a wiki we capture it all from the initial Open
Space gathering to the descriptive review critique process students use to
evaluate throughout and for the most part it students take care of the
documentation. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I agree with Lisa that the wiki has to serve a purpose for
participants after the initial OS event. Adult participants won't go to a
wiki to visit about the event and develop relationships, kids will go to just
see what there friends are doing. It is easier for them to have virtual
relationships. But people will use the wiki if they are working on a
joint project and need to coordinate efforts.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Robert Fabian <<a
href="mailto:robert@fabian.ca" target="_blank">robert@fabian.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Pat et al,<br>
<br>
I'm new to OST, but have some ancient history with socio-tech and Search. I<br>
like what I've been able to discover about OST. Given my roots in<br>
technology, I began to explore how / if technology could be used in the Open<br>
Space process. Some preliminary thoughts:<br>
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Technology should not be used to replace face-to-face. The dynamic is wrong,<br>
... but may be a practical alternative for children of different ages and<br>
experiences. With adults, I can't see using technology as the medium for<br>
Open Space.<br>
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That said, there are possible roles for technology. Technology could be used<br>
to collect information, and then result in the instant publication of an<br>
event report. But technology used that way is pure support. Might technology<br>
be used to extend an event?<br>
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To my mind, Wiki dynamics don't provide a virtual mirror for the actual<br>
event. I'm attracted by the idea of using Organic Groups within the Drupal<br>
Content Management System. Organic Groups can be made to mirror the sessions<br>
which are such a basic part of OST. Anyone (after registering) can (be<br>
allowed to) create an Organic Group. Organic Groups can be visible to all<br>
(or kept private), but to contribute you need to join the Group. They<br>
provide a reasonable virtual environment for use of the Law of Two Feet.<br>
<br>
The technology is inexpensive. Drupal with Organic Groups comes as an open<br>
source bundle and will run on an inexpensive virtual web server. Total out<br>
of pocket expense to set up and operate a site (technically powerful enough<br>
for thousands) would be less than $100/year.<br>
<br>
The virtual space can mirror the face-to-face Open Space. The dynamic will<br>
be different. Depending on the participants, the virtual space may be a<br>
turn-on, ... or a turn-off. But with the right group of participants, I'm<br>
optimistic that Drupal with Organic Groups could be an effective virtual<br>
extension of Open Space.<br>
<br>
Bob Fabian - <a href="http://www.fabian.ca" target="_blank">www.fabian.ca</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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