i think that must be the main reason for advocating multi-day meetings in os, cuz if it's a one day meeting, there isn't usually a place to nap. multi-day events, when i have a place to go, i go nap as needed. <br>
<br>that said, try this phelim... sit back to back with matilda, cross-legged on the floor or cushions. get good and connected. squirm. push. sigh. rest. aaahhh... until you are darned good and sure that you are there and she is there. totally present. now slide some inches, maybe a foot, apart. find each other again. still present, but not touching. not visible either. but present. can do the same with any group, except you don't have to turn your back on them for them to be out of sight. much of what happens in those 'bigger bodies' is naturally invisible. but i think it can be sensed with the heart. <br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Chris Corrigan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris@chriscorrigan.com">chris@chriscorrigan.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div style="word-wrap: break-word;">The only nap I ever took in Open Space was while hosting OSoOS IX in Vancouver. After I opened space, I was overcome with a splitting headache. I handed off the space holding duties to Laurel and lay down in a quiet but public space and slept for an hour. When I awoke I was the subject of some good natured teasing, but I pointed out that, as Harrison had not joined us in Vancouver that year, someone had to take a nap.<div>
<br></div><div>Totally present, absolutely visible, completely asleep.</div><div><br></div><div>Advice to future OSonOS hosts.: The headaches you get are never the ones you expected to get.</div><div><br></div><div><div class="im">
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<br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><div>On 2010-06-03, at 2:37 PM, Harrison Owen wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div bgcolor="white" link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;"><span> </span>OSLIST [mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Phelim McDermott<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Totally present absolutely invisible</span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">
I'm Interested in this wonderful skill:</div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">
<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Being totally present and absolutely invisible</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">
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It is what I aspire to every time I faciltate orvdirect a show and relates very closely to stage presence as It is what I have worked with puppeteers in training to do over the years. (it is especially useful dramatically when you want to disappear and appear as if from nowhere onstage at just the right time. A skill some of the best facilitators have or so I have heard! </div>
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There is another aspect about this I am interested in which for me relates to what some cultures would call the dreaming aspects of reality.</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">
</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">So here's the question: Is it possible to be in this state of presence/invisibilty whilst on another space in the room? Or outside the room? Or whilst asleep? </div>
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So can one be totally present, absolutely invisible and take a nap? </div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">
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<br>On 3 Jun 2010, at 21:23, Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;">
<div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Michael – it would be really interesting to hear some actual situations where what you are describing is true. I’ve never seen it, but I did hear of one. It happened in South Africa where a local consultant took Open Space as a license for absence. He literally left for most of the day. As it turned out (as I heard from one of the participants) the group really didn’t miss him, and was basically sorry to see him return. And that same participant was sure that there had to be something more than he had seen. As a consequence he came to a “training program” (back in the days when I used to do something like that<span> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">J</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">) and subsequently opened space all over the place. So I guess there was a happy ending after a rocky start. Or something.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">But you really put your finger on something – “active listening” – which is not so much about doing anything but rather Being intensely. Definitely hard to describe but my best shot is the enigmatic phrase – Being totally present and absolutely invisible. In my experience this is a matter of intention and practice. And the best part is that it is all definitely rewarding, not only in terms of facilitating Open Space, but equally in terms of self understanding and personal presence. It feels good.</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;"><span> </span>OSLIST [mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Michael Herman<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: On "Failure"</span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">
i have a teacher who likes to put little reminders on pencils and pass them around. one of my favorite pencils says: "really easy is often quite difficult." <span> </span><br><br>i think this is true of open space. i've seen a number of situations where the facilitator or the process itself was assumed to be a bit of magic, so nobody needed to do much else to make it happen. this makes all kinds of large and small "failures" possible -- all owing to some lapses in the quality of attention, awareness, relationship.<br>
<br>somebody once told me that carl rogers (some sort of psychologist, i think) used to listen so intently that he would often break out in a sweat -- just listening to someone. sometimes i think open space takes this sort of quality or intensity of attention... or maybe of awareness. that the heart is this active, even if the body is apparently doing nothing. like when so many muscles are engaged in walking a balance beam, or timing a jump. actively pulsing, checking, on and off, holding and releasing, inviting and reporting. <span> </span><br>
<br>i'd guess a fair number of "failures" have their roots in forgetting that os is this sort of active practice, even if a lot of the action is not outwardly visible or dramatic or difficult. weirdenss seems to flow from gaps in clarity, in attention, in awareness, in relationship. not so much, i think, from gaps in actual outer logistics. <span> </span><br>
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On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:07 PM, VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE <<a href="mailto:mail@visuelle-protokolle.de" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">mail@visuelle-protokolle.de</a>> wrote:</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">
<span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: navy;">Harrison and all,<br><br>Another example of an OS that went terribly wrong:<br><br>It was a factory producing printing machines, both in Eastern and western Germany, and the participants were mixed from both areas. We had the o.k. from the four directors, to whom we had illustrated what to expect, and a final conference after the OS was already determined. One of the directors, the one who seemed to be the most employee-oriented, was choosen to say some words at the end of the OS. Our partner in the company was a young man from HR, very active, with good contacts to the directors. So he insisted that he should brief the director what to say at the end of OS.<br>
<br>Everything went fine. The groups worked with joy and enthusiasm. We accompanied the whole OS with 3 people visualizing everything, and that was a big success, because everybody could see what had happened everywhere. After we had shown the pictures in a final slideshow, the director stood up and destroyed everything within 5 minutes. He said that he was disappointed, had expected other outcomes, and that the managers wood have a hard time to use some of the results.<br>
<br>That was the end of the project for us, but much worse all the participants were angry and a big chance was lost for the company.<br><br>Of course the mistake was to let the young HR-man brief the director.<span> </span><br>
<br>Reinhard<br><br>Reinhard Kuchenmüller<span> </span><br>Dr. Marianne Stifel<br>VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE<br>Kuchenmüller & Stifel<br><br>+39-0566-88 929<br><a href="http://www.visuelle-protokolle.de" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">www.visuelle-protokolle.de</a><span> </span><br>
<br></span><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><br><br><br>Am 03/06/10 18:12 schrieb "Ralph Copleman" unter <<a href="mailto:rcopleman@comcast.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">rcopleman@comcast.net</a>>:</span></p>
<div><div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">Harrison and all,<br>
<br>I've had a few that sort of fell flat.<br><br>One involved a group concerned about availability of services for senior citizens across an entire US state. Two-thirds of the room consisted of seniors themselves and, frankly, a lot of them ran out of energy about an hour after lunch. So they sat around, a number slumping in chairs with eyes closed.<br>
<br>Another involved an exploration of customer service issues for an airline. Lots of corporate leaders from the airline present, along with their booking agents (this pre-dates internet booking sites), frequent flyer customers, and corporate travel execs who make travel policy for their companies. A great mix, actually. We were set to go from 8:00 a.m to 4:00. About 2:00, a group of participants more or less seized control of the meeting somehow (I wasn't in the room when it occurred) and got everyone to agree to shorten the meeting by a full hour. When I returned at 3:00, someone simply informed me, and asked that I begin the closing circle. So that's what I did. I never found out what actually happened.<br>
<br>Not sure how to think about that last one, since I never found out how it all developed, but the following one is more like a true failure.<br><br>I was asked to convene a two-day open space gathering for about 200 folks from around the US. It would be the annual meeting of an association of a certain type of public health officer (cannot recall the details). The whole thing was pretty dead from the outset –– I mean 200 people posting a total of only 15 sessions for two whole days!? I found out the theme was all wrong. The planning committee chose an idea that turned out to have no juice for the association's members. I had spent hours in conference calls with the leadership group and the planning committee, and they'd assured me that the idea they chose was at the heart of the challenges facing them and their organizations. Turns out that was dead wrong. Nobody else cared. I don't know how I might have seen through this situation ahead of time.<br>
<br>I essentially agree with you, H. If the conditions are appropriate, it will work. But, if the three experiences above teach me anything, it's clear that stuff can always happens.<br><br>Ralph Copleman<br><br>*<br>
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