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<div style="text-indent: 0in !important; ">Regarding what's Politically Correct around open space, Jack, I don't protest. </div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; "><br></div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; ">I did read the long list of ideas for open space that Jack was afraid would be considered untouchable among open space facilitators, posted in the 'beyond the dogma' conversation online, and according to my (faulty) memory there was not much beyond the range of the conversations that i have seen on oslist (and its precursors) over 20 years. Lots of engaging conversations about "always do x; never do y" (to use your phrase below)</div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; "><br style="text-indent: 0in !important; "></div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; ">It doesn't mean that I will agree with every choice you make about what to add and what to toss, Jack, but it's certainly worth talking about in my opinion. I'm curious about the workshop you convened and how it went, what kinds of conversations ensued. I tried to find that "beyond the dogma" online conversation just now, and only found the basic invitation to the two-hour workshop, which i like! I hope it's ok to post it here:</div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; "><br style="text-indent: 0in !important; "></div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="text-indent: 0in !important; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Do we need to ditch the dogma (“Always do X.” “Never do Y.”) and develop a new strain of Open Space that’s better suited to the needs of today’s organisations and communities? If so, what might this new and improved version look like? How would it be different from Open Space 1.0? How can we exploit the “technology” aspect of Open Space Technology? What are the issues and opportunities for Open Space practice in a post-modern world?<br style="text-indent: 0in !important; "><br style="text-indent: 0in !important; ">Paul Levy and Jack Martin Leith invite you to explore these ideas in an intimate setting, with no holds barred. While honouring Harrison Owen, the originator of Open Space Technology, and respecting the ground breaking work done by other Open Space elders, participants in the two-hour workshop will expose the dogma, create new possibilities and pave the way for the next “release” of Open Space.</span></div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; "><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; "><br style="text-indent: 0in !important; "></div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; ">Maybe you are saying: I want to call what I'm doing Open Space 2.0, and others are saying "but that's not Open Space". Now there will be a lively conversation no doubt! Is that what you are saying here? </div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; "><br></div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; ">How in the world do we evolve beyond what Harrison and Chris like to call a "halfway technology" without engaging these questions?</div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; "><br></div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; ">On the other hand, perhaps the name is not the point? Whether you have developed a new form of open space, or a new form of group process that does what open space does and does it better, i want to hear and talk about it.</div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; "><br style="text-indent: 0in !important; "></div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; ">Jeff</div><div style="text-indent: 0in !important; ">mount tamalpais</div><div><br></div></div><br><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 17:04:47 +0100<br>From: jack@leithcocreation.com<br>Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Organizational Transformation Conferences (was: Re: [OSLIST] ODWS - Journey through time; suggestions please !!)<br>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br><br><div>Thanks for raising this, Artur.</div>
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<div>I've pulled a couple of old web pages about the OT symposia from my very dusty digital archives, blown off the cobwebs, and uploaded them to <a href="http://www.leithcocreation.com/ot">www.leithcocreation.com/ot</a>.</div>
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<div>Hope these are useful.</div>
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<div>In 1988, John Adams (<a href="http://www.eartheart-ent.com/">www.eartheart-ent.com</a>) wrote:</div>
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<div>Could it be that the ideas highlighted in red are taken as read (sorry - no pun intended) these days, and that OD has - to some extent - morphed into OT, as you mention?</div>
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<div>The rest of the John Adams article can be found here: <a href="http://www.leithcocreation.com/ot">www.leithcocreation.com/ot</a>.</div>
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<div>With regard to your earlier email, I agree that PC is rife in the Open Space community, and that it is not safe to raise certain issues - not only in these posts, but beyond OSList.</div>
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<div>Two years ago, Paul Levy and I announced a discussion session, Open Space 2.0: Beyond the Dogma. The announcement triggered some hostility and a heap of defensive responses. Paul received an item of what can only be called hate mail from a prominent member of the so-called OS community (perhaps more like what Scott Peck would call 'pseudo-community').</div>
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<div>I've had similar responses to other posts, which is why I rarely post to this list these days.</div>
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<div>25 years down the track, if they survive that long, most organisational concepts and tools have splintered and evolved. Open Space hasn't, and I'm not sure this is a good thing. It seems to reflect a degree of orthodoxy.</div>
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<div>I await howls of protest.</div>
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<div>Thank you again, Artur. These things need to be said.</div>
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<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 29 May 2010 19:19, Artur Silva <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arturfsilva@yahoo.com">arturfsilva@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';color:black;font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Thanks for the map, Jack.</span></p>
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<p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';color:black;font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">The map, and some clarifications by Harrison, reminded me of a different thing.</span></p>
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<p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';color:black;font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">OST was born in the "Organization Transformation Conferences". </span></p>
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<p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';color:black;font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">In WOSonOS in Berlin, I met a lady (that I cannot remember the name and later have not seen her again to ask for the contacts) that told me that the last OT Conference was to be held in London, but there were insufficient registrations and it did not took place. Nor any other after that.</span></p>
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<p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';color:black;font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">In ancient mails, in the OSLIST Archives, I can see that OT22 took place in Scotland, in 2004, and OT23 was planned to take place in Milwaukee, in 2005. I also remember to later receive an invitation to London, and I even considered to go there (and profit to see my sister and my English family, in Brighton). But later I could not. But that exchange of mails is lost with a computer that crashed many moons ago.</span></p>
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<p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';color:black;font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">If there is anyone that can complete the story from OT22 to the last one that took (or not) place, I would be grateful. </span></p>
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<p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';color:black;font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">I would also like to understand why the OT Conferences died (without any trace that I could discover in the Internet).</span></p>
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<p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';color:black;font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">And why have the OT Conferences died if the distinction between OD and OT is IMHO more needed now than ever before?</span></p>
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<p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';color:black;font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Maybe this can be somehow related with my previous post. </span></p>
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<p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';color:black;font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">If there is no longer a clear distinction between OD and OT, than OST and all the other "large group facilitation methods" belong after all to the same stream - OD. </span></p>
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<p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';color:black;font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Interesting, don't you think?</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thu, May 27, 2010 10:34:02 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSLIST] ODWS - Journey through time; suggestions please !!<br></font><br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">Jack – I have always loved your “map” – if only because it provides me and (indirectly I presume), and Open Space Technology with an impressive lineage which is at once colorful, although perhaps undeserved. It is true that my first public foray into the realm of Organization Transformation happened at a regional conference of ODN (Organization Development Network) – I gave a paper. What is also true is that at the time I had no real clue what Organization Development might be, where it came from, or what it might be useful for. My inspiration, training and experience came from a rather different place, including but not limited to a layman’s understanding of the New Physics, a rather deeper understanding of the myth and ritual of the ancient near east, and an appreciation of a variety of (what now would be called) esoteric traditions. Strange things like Tibetan Buddhism, Sufi thought (Rumi), some deep learning at the feet of (West) African Shamans, the work of Joseph Campbell, Ken Wilbur – and other assorted denizens of the Fringe. I wouldn’t claim academic expertise for most of this, but existential, on the ground experience for sure. Truth to tell, when Organization Transformation first reflected the light of day it was not viewed in a positive fashion by the powers that be (were) in the world of OD. Definitely heretical! Off the Wall! Out of Sight!! Some still feel that way, I am sure – but times change. And a lot of the people who found the idea of Organization Transformation radically abhorrent became friends. I can’t say we have always agreed – but we are friends.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">And then we come to Open Space Technology. It does not come from, nor is it part of the great tradition (lately created) of Large Scale Interventions. It began as it remains – The product of two Martinis (and before that the Big Bang)! There was no careful research, no critical analysis of preceding efforts – just a little Gin and (much less) vermouth. And with all that as ancestors, you got to keep it simple. – Sit in a circle, create a bulletin board, open a market place – and Go to work. Hasn’t changed a bit ever since. But I am sure that our understanding of what happens has gone a lot deeper – which is not to say that we are getting anywhere near the depths we must achieve. But we are moving in the right direction, I think. And it is fun.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 27, 2010 3:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: ODWS - Journey through time; suggestions please !!</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">On 27 May 2010 15:05, Michael Herman <<a href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com" rel="nofollow">michael@michaelherman.com</a>> wrote:</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">i'll second jeff's recommendation of marv weisbord's 'productive workplaces.' that was the first thing that came to mind here. another was a map that jack martin leith did some years ago, showing overlapping development paths of various methods and leading practitioners. jack?<br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:39 AM, VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE <<a href="mailto:mail@visuelle-protokolle.de" rel="nofollow">mail@visuelle-protokolle.de</a>> wrote:</p>
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<br>Greetings from Italy<br><br>Reinhard Kuchenmüller<br><br><br>VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE® <br><a href="http://www.visuelle-protokolle.de/" rel="nofollow">www.visuelle-protokolle.de</a><br>+39-0566-88929<br></span><span style="color:navy;font-size:9pt"><br>
</span><span><br><br><br>Am 27/05/10 08:16 schrieb "Gerard Muller" unter <<a href="http://openspace.dk" rel="nofollow">gm@openspace.dk</a>>:</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>Dear All,<br><br><span>At the upcoming Organisational Development World Summit (see <a href="http://www.odworldsummit.org/">http://www.odworldsummit.org/</a>, which is organised in collaboration with several organisations and communities - amongst which several who are on this list , we are organising part of the program as a special journey through the history of our profession, before we move into it’s future.</span><br>
<br>I would like to ask for your help in identifying what you feel are the 2-3 elements which deserve a place in this journey. This could be either in the history of the profession (a book, a bit of research, the birth of an method or theory), or in the history of the society around (political, technological, ...).<br>
<br>If you have a specific idea how to represent the elements which come to mind, that would be great.<br>In the case of a publication, it could be the book itself, in the case of an event maybe the invitation,<br>a poster, pictures. But we’ll also have space for filmclips and music.<br>
<br>Please mail any ideas to my E-mail at <a href="http://openspace.dk" rel="nofollow">gm@openspace.dk</a>, in the course of the coming week.<br><br>Thanks for your assistance !!<br><br>Greetings from Denmark,<br>
<br><br><br><br>Gerard Muller<br><br>Open Space Institute Denmark<br>Phone: (+45) 21269621<br>Mail: <a href="http://openspace.dk" rel="nofollow">gm@openspace.dk</a><br>Skype: openspace1</span></p></div>
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