i'd forgotten this altogether, artur. and going back now to see it, i think we were rather ahead of our time. wikis were really new. i don't know if wikipedia had even started yet. <br><br>i thought the osonos cafe was rather remarkable: 5 days and as best i can count, 27 different people checking in, from oz, europe (at the gathering and not), usa, canada. harrison chimed in from maine. it was all in english, but it didn't have to be. that wiki could handle spanish or french or haitian creole just fine. <br>
<br>if you've never been to an osonos gathering, this page is a pretty good teaser, as are some others, like the one you flagged, artur... <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?OSonOSinSwenMark/OSonOSCafe">http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?OSonOSinSwenMark/OSonOSCafe</a> ...and some good notes in the debriefing session, too. <br>
<br>i guess the progress we made in marysville and svenmark got a bit lost when osonos went to india the following year. maybe next year -- if not sooner -- we can pick up a bit where we left off. openspaceworld.NET is still wide open for hosting and posting, for any osonos or other event. <br>
<br>----<br><br>by the way, there is a fun story behind how wiki and open space came together. i was facilitating an open space track at the 'agile/extreme programming' conference in chicago in 2002. a guy named chris wege from stuttgart showed me how to set up a wiki and i taught him and some others about ost. we both went off and used what we learned -- and used it a lot. so these bits abotu agile using ost and ost using wiki always makes me smile. <br>
<br>thanks for the reminding, artur.<br><br>m<br><br><br clear="all"> <br>--<br><br>Michael Herman<br>Michael Herman Associates<br><br><a href="http://www.michaelherman.com">http://www.michaelherman.com</a><br><a href="http://www.ronanparktrail.com">http://www.ronanparktrail.com</a><br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/5/20 Artur Silva <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arturfsilva@yahoo.com">arturfsilva@yahoo.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman','new york',times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div>Thanks, Thomas and Michael H. </div><div><br></div><div>It was indeed the SwenMark OSonOS (2003) I was referring...</div>
<div><br></div><div>(I had planned to go, but then an helth problem, discovered in the previous month, did not allow me to go (and the organizers, did not obliged me to pay anything for the cancelation of my pre-commitement to go).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Anyhow, from my house, I could follow the discussions and even participate in it.</div><div><br></div><div>I have selected a page (of the first session of the Proceeedings) to show what was happennning. <b>The proceedings were being typed in the wiki immediatly after the session</b>. That allowed for a follow up discussion, and even for further comments, either by presencial participants or by anyone that could
not came, for whatever reason. Being ill, I had the free time to participate (indirectly?) myself, which I did. I felt has if I was (almost) there. See this session as an example: <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?OSonOSinSwenMark/HowToLearnToBeHappyWithWhatHappens" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?OSonOSinSwenMark/HowToLearnToBeHappyWithWhatHappens</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Artur</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1">
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Michael Herman <<a href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com" target="_blank">michael@michaelherman.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, May 20, 2010 12:39:02 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSLIST] SV: Online WOSonOS Documentation<br></font><div><div></div><div class="h5">
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all of the proceeding from marysville, australia, were posted to a wiki. this was one of the earliest uses of the wiki that still holds half of the content of the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.openspaceworld.ORG" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.ORG</a><span> website. that was 2002, osonos10. i was there in marysville and played caretaker for the whole wiki process. we had a regular document, too, but a bit more happened online than in that doc. <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/wiki.cgi?MarysvilleAustralia" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/wiki.cgi?MarysvilleAustralia</a></span><br>
<br>then, the following year, thomas and friends posted all the svenmark notes from osonos11. those got posted at the new <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.openspaceworld.NET" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.NET</a><span> side of things. <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?OSonOSinSwenMark" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?OSonOSinSwenMark</a></span><br>
<br>after that, the planners for goa did not apparently have an interest in continuing this and things when in another direction. <br><br>and, yes, as artur says, we had wikis set up for many languages, haitian, iberia (spanish and portuguese), estonia, italian, maybe french, too. <br>
<br>i've offered web support to osonos hosts since then, but as more and more options became available and known and accessible to people everywhere, nobody else has taken me up on this.<br><br>personally, i think i prefer a weblog format for posting notes, unless there is a bunch of action and work and other meetings going to spring from a gathering. <br>
<br>looking forward to the new wiki, and wondering if it'll be the sort of place where many future osonos's can be reported.<br><br>thanks, m <br><br><br clear="all"> <br>--<br><br>Michael Herman<br>Michael Herman Associates<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Thomas Herrmann <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com" target="_blank">thomas@openspaceconsulting.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Hi Artur</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">During the 11th World OSonOS in “Swenmark” (2003) we used a wiki
to capture proceedings and invite people to participate on distance during,
before and after the event. The proceedings and the wiki is to be found among
the other OSonOS proceedings on <a href="http://OSW.org" target="_blank">OSW.org</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">With assistance from Michael, Chris and others it worked
wonderfully! I think.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Best regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Thomas Herrmann</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Från:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> OSLIST
[mailto:<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] <b>För </b>Artur Silva<br>
<b>Skickat:</b> den 19 maj 2010 23:50<br>
<b>Till:</b> <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
<b>Ämne:</b> Re: Online WOSonOS Documentation</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="EN-US">Dear Holger and others:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="EN-US">Thank you for creating the Wiki for WOSonOS 2010 online
digital documentation.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="EN-US">I have already sighed in. But I would like to request to
the two "note takers" of the two sessions I have convened, if they
could be so kind to "interpret" their own characters and put the
report in the Wiki. Thank you.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="EN-US">Anyhow, Holger, from your post it may seem that it is the
first time the OST community is using Wikis. And it is not. 9 years ago, in
2001, Michael Herman created the space <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.openspaceworld.net/" target="_blank"><span style="color: purple;">http://www.openspaceworld.net/</span></a>,
that was, and still is, a Wiki. In that same year, some of the
"international language pages", then created, have used wikis,
and the Iberian one still is in an wiki (<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/iberia.cgi?" target="_blank"><span style="color: purple;">http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/iberia.cgi?</span></a>),
now closed due to spam and short of resources to cleaning it up every day.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="EN-US">And in one of the two following years (I think the next
one, but I am not sure), all the reports have been created <b>directly in
a wiki </b>(that I cannot find anymore) where they could be edited and commented
by anyone in the world in real time, thus giving the possibility to anyone that
could not came to OSonOS to have a sense of what was happening and really
commenting. (What can be more inclusive than that?). Maybe that could be
something to have repeated in one (or both) of the two following WOSonOS's -
next year in Chile and/or in London, in 2012...</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="EN-US">Regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Artur </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation)
<<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:h.nauheimer@change-facilitation.org" target="_blank">h.nauheimer@change-facilitation.org</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation)
<<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:h.nauheimer@change-facilitation.org" target="_blank">h.nauheimer@change-facilitation.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wed, May 19, 2010 12:06:09 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Online WOSonOS Documentation</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">Dear WOSonOS
participants and friends,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">As we have announced
in the action planning of the WOSonOS, we want to do an online documentation of
the results of the WOSonOS. For that, we have created a Wiki. A Wiki is a document
which we can edit all – it has the spirit of Open Space. Don’t worry, writing
in a Wiki is as simple as writing in a Word document.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">This is a great
experiment – because not only the conveners but all participants can take
responsibility to convert the handwritten materials into typed script. Let us
do t like an Open Space – self-organized.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">Please read the
following instructions VERY CAREFULLY:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">1.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">We start with the documentation of the proceedings; the
action planning will come a bit later.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">2.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">With a separate email, you will get an invitation for our
Wiki (from the software company PbWorks). You will need to follow this
invitation to create an account. Please be assured that your data are secure,
this is a professional business version of a commercial programme.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">3.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">On the landing page (after you have created your account)
you will find detailed instructions of how to proceed.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">4.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">If you absolutely don’t want to use the Wiki for any
reason, you might also send us a Word file with the text you have typed.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">5.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">I made the status of all of you that of writers –meaning
you cannot create or delete pages. If you want to be an editor, please let me
know.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">6.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">There is also comment functions: we can have
discussions about all issues and continue the discussions of the WOSonOS.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">7.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US">This will not work if we are not passionate about and if
we don’t take our responsibility</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97);" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">With best regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Holger Nauheimer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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