<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Yeah, but they're (usually) logical. It's just figuring out what the logic is! <div><br></div><div>Were I ever to do software coaching, the tag line would be "the answer is always a keystroke away..." </div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Apr 14, 2010, at 4:33 PM, doug wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Harrison--<br><br>This one came through.<br><br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>:- Doug.<br><br>On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 15:56 -0400, Harrison Owen wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Michael – you can add me to the list. There doesn’t seem to be any<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">rational – but whoever said that computers were rational???<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ho<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Harrison Owen<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">7808 River Falls Dr.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Potomac, MD 20854<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">USA<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Phone 301-365-2093<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</a> (Personal Website)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu">oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Michael Herman<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:18 PM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: fixing oslist<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">hi all, <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">i've just gotten word from our hosts at boise state. now is a good<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">time, if you're having trouble posting to the list, i.e. your messages<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">hits the archives but not everyone's inbox, to test this to make sure<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">it's still happening -- and to document it for those who might be able<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to fix it.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">there are several -- lisa, michael jr., christine and christine, and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">myself, who i know have had troubles. this message might not even<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">make it out. but if it does, and you are one of these folks, i've<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">jiggled your settings a bit to see if that helps. try to post again.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">invite replies. if you don't get any, then forward the details (see<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">message from bsu, below) and send to me to forward on to bsu. <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">also, if you try to post from the website, DO NOT check the box to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">receive a copy of your own post. that seems to be a problem (see<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">below from bsu.) <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">in the meantime, if you can't mail directly to the list, try the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">website. i know it's not the ideal situation, but what i've done is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">set myself on digest, so i get an unreadable mash of daily postings,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">but it has a simple list of message subjects at the top. that is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">readable, and it's my cue that some things have been posted, prompting<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">me to go to the site to read the ones i'm interested in. it's a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">decent work around, for the moment.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">thanks, m<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">here is what i got today from boise state...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I'm very puzzled by this behavior as well. I have had reports of this<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">off and on for the last 6 to 9 months. I had one user go around and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">around with lsoft and basically lsoft blamed gmail. There's another<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">guy who has earthlink as his provider and he's had all kinds of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">problems. His posts wind up in the spam folder quite frequently.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I've also seen a thread on the list maintainers listserv that suggests<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that listserv is sending messages with duplicate message ids which<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">causes mailers to cull perfectly legitimate mail. This seems to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">happen when people use the web gui and click the box to ask to a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">receipt. I just documented another case of this today. I have also<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">noticed that the sheer volume that hits the listserv machine has<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">reached ridiculous proportions. The spammers seem to start work<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Friday afternoon and continue on through the weekend. So it's a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">bloody mess.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I will forward your query to lsoft support. You're certainly welcome<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to copy complaints on to me. I do need a date and time the message<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">was sent and a description of what happened. I also need an email<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">address. I've been very busy since my job has changed here, so I have<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">done triage on the listserv. I seem to have come up for air right<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">now, so this is an opportune time for me to work on these issues.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I'll forward your query on to lsoft support as well. Always good to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">hear from you. Sorry your list isn't behaving. 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