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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Going “Wrong” is an interesting
thing. My “wrong” could be your “right” It all depends.
So when I hear about Open Spaces that go “wrong” I always wonder
what the expectations were. As for self-organizing systems – they always
(in my experience) try to “optimize.” That would be called “search
for fitness.” And in the great sea of life, everything works out …
but some of it can be quite painful. I think that comes with the territory, and
no small amount of the pain comes from the fact that things did not work out
the way we desired. Funny thing: The Cosmos was not created for our pleasure
and benefit, I think. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Or put another way – I think
self-organization always aims at High Performance (by definition) – and some
make it and others don’t. Or at the very least, some do not perform as
well as others – which is how we derive our benchmarks for “High
Performance.” </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Could there be another way? Maybe. And for
sure if the “Ruler of the Cosmos (Him/her/It)” had consulted with
us early on, doubtless we could have come up with something better. But I am
not sure about “better.” Seems to me that for all the warts, pain,
foibles, weirdness, false starts, etc. – it is totally amazing that we
are all here 13.7 billion years from GO! – Albeit some of us are
complaining about how bad things are. Personally, and all evidence to the
contrary – I think it is wonderful!</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Harrison Owen</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>7808 River Falls Drive</span></font></p>
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Maryland 20854</span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>www.openspaceworld.org</span></font></a></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Tonnie van der Zouwen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 02, 2009
9:42 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Open Space and
academic research</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Harrison, </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:#1F497D'>For sure, I’m having fun doing my research. Talking to you
and many other people who are experimenting with Self Organizing systems for
High Performance (an interesting reframing of my Large Scale Interventions for
sustainable change, to what extend do we mean the same?). I really appreciate
your sharing of insights and experiences, the great gift of your books.
Actually the experiment is repeated many times, by many practioners, matching
conditions and following procedures (that is what I call interventions) for
high performance results. My point is that it doesn’t always bring high
performance, and that things can go wrong. We don’t talk about the ones
that didn’t produce good results in publications. To put the cat among
the pigeons: If we want to be taken seriously in the academic world,
maybe the invitation should not only be “repeat the experiment”,
but also “come and review our experiments, what performance did they
bring and why?” Finding out how the power of self organization can be
utilized and assisted even better or more widely. </span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:#1F497D'>Tonnie</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Van:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Namens
</span></b>Harrison Owen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Verzonden:</span></b> woensdag 2 december
2009 13:26<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Aan:</span></b>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Onderwerp:</span></b> Re: [OSLIST] Open Space
and academic research</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Hi Tonnie – My
experience for the last 25 years is that OS has been a marvelous natural
experiment that I just fell into. My hope would be that any and all curious
people (people with curiosity – which hopefully includes academics</span></font><font
size=3 color=red face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;
color:red'>J</span></font><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>) would have as much fun
as I have. Truthfully, my interest in Open Space is less focused on large group
interventions, indeed any kind of intervention, but rather on the function and
power of self organizing systems and the ways in which we might utilize and
assist their gifts. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>The message of Wave Rider
was not that Open Space creates High Performance (although I think it does),
but rather that High Performance is a function a well performing Self
Organizing system. Open Space (for me) became a critical (but not only) part of
the experimental environment in which I considered all that business. You will
notice that I set the book up as a report on that experiment, detailing the
experimental conditions, procedure, and results to date. The invitation is to
run the experiment for yourself. All the questions you raise are totally valid
and should you run the experiment I am sure you will find your answers –
which may or may not accord with the answers (results) I found. But that is the
nature and fun of a good experiment. So how will you know? Just do it and find
out. Have fun.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Harrison</span></font></p>
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color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>7808 River Falls Drive</span></font></p>
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color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Potomac, Maryland 20854</span></font></p>
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color:red'>Skype hhowen</span></font></p>
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color:red'>Personal website</span></font><font color=red><span
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style='font-family:Arial'>www.ho-image.com</span></font></a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Tonnie van der Zouwen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 02, 2009
6:13 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Open Space and academic
research</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt'>Dear</span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=NL style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span
lang=NL> Harrison, </span></p>
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lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Yesterday I was reading (almost) all emails on this
list. Learned a lot again. What I kept wandering about last evening is your
remark about how little attention to OST is paid so far in academic research
and publications. Since I am doing research on large scale interventions
(Success factors and effects and a practical guide for effective use of LSI) </span></font><font
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>this
triggered me: What research questions would you like to be answered in academic
research? <font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>What
would you like OST to be compared with? Then I realized that touches the
question: How to see OST and what is it used for? In your book Wave rider you
give examples of OST as a method for creating high performance systems. The
practitioner in me reacts: Ok, I know it works, let’s do it. The academic
researcher in me sais: He, interesting, how do I know the high performance
system is there? How long will it last? What is the influence of the length of
the meeting? Does it ripple off, why/why not? Et cetera. </p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>We had two conferences with researchers, practitioners
and clients about my research on success factors and effects of LSI. Thanks
again Harrison for contributing to the online conference. In the discussions,
especially in the live conference on September 17<sup>th</sup>, </span></font><font
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>a
wide gap showed between LSI practice and academic tradition. I think that
explains part of the relatively little attention in academic research. Some
practitioners say: “we don’t need evidence from research, we
already know it works”, or “research will never be able to grasp
the magic of ….” . While some <font face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>researchers say: “It
is all self reported success from founders and practitioners with an interest
in a positive image”, or “If you can’t conceptualize it you
should try harder”. Moreover, you have to work with sophisticated
qualitative research methods to do justice to complex situations and the
richness of an intervention as OST. It is my opinion most academic institutes
still operate in a classic quantitative or linear research tradition. They don’t
want to burn their hands on what they think wooly stuff, or they simply don’t
know how to inquire complex interventions. </p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Another problem with finding articles on</span></font><font
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
research on OST is that the phenomenon is labeled with different names. On the
level of OST as a large group intervention, or as an interactive method for
change more literature is available. But you don’t see OST in the title.
I gathered a long list of references, so if you are interested let me know. </p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Luckily, there are also practitioners and researchers
who see possibilities and added value in academic research. Especially those
who combine both activities. </span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font></p>
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