<div>Hi Michael,</div><div><br></div>It looks really good. I've just removed the "speedy deletion" banner (which wasn't actually a "speedy deletion" banner anyway, it was just warning that someone *might* add a "speedy deletion" banner).<div>
<br></div><div>This is what I wrote on the discussion page to justify it: "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">I've just updated the banners to more accurately reflect recent improvements. I think the introduction and history are both really good now, but just need their references turned into proper Wikipedia footnotes. The rest (older text) is useful information, but still needs to be rewritten a bit to feel less how-to-ish."</span></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;">I don't have time to make those improvements, but hopefully the banner changes improve morale a bit. :)</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;">Cheers,</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;">Justin</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"><br>
</span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Michael Herman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com">michael@michaelherman.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
whoops. that was me who missed that one, harrison. <grin> <br><br>and might you have a look at the history section on this page, as you know the story much better than i do?<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology</a> ...let me know if there are things that should be added or edited, if you don't want to tweak them directly. <br>
<br>if anybody else, justin??? ...who's familiar with wikipedia citation standards and methods could take a look at this page, that would be great. i've tried to include proper info, but i don't know how to do it correctly in this format.<br>
<br>thanks.<div class="im"><br><br>m <br><br><br clear="all"> <br>--<br><br>Michael Herman<br>Michael Herman Associates<br><br><a href="http://www.michaelherman.com" target="_blank">http://www.michaelherman.com</a><br><a href="http://www.ronanparktrail.com" target="_blank">http://www.ronanparktrail.com</a><br>
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<br><br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Harrison Owen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="red" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:red">Pat said -- “even </span></font><font color="red" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:red">harrison</span></font><font color="red" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:red"> has told
stories about the places where he first learned this piece or that piece of
what became the practice of open space. <i><span style="font-style:italic">discovered
not invented</span></i> (ital mine).”</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="red" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:red">Pat I think you got it mostly right (“<i><span style="font-style:italic">discovered not invented”)</span></i> –
but I believe it is Shaken not stirred.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma"></span></font></p><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><div>-----Original Message-----<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 29, 2009
7:09 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
</div><div><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: re honouring each
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks for this Michael. It resonates for me.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt"> even harrison has told stories about the places
where he first learned this piece or that piece of what became the practice of
open space. discovered not invented. <br>
<br>
that's what i think really distinguishes this conversation from so many others
about methods and techniques. there's a lineage here. i think the
nature of lineage is equal parts challenge and support, the outside might look
challenging but inside there is also a strong flow of support. it's about
knowing and not, the past is quite well known and oft-told, but the future is
uncertain, adapting and evolving. so the only way for lineage to continue
is to balance all of that. <br>
<br>
it's a very active, dynamic process and if you're here, on this list, learning
quietly or contributing vocally, you're already it in. cuz in the end,
the practice isn't about the lurking or posting, learning or contributing, it's
about each of us navigating for ourselves the edge that runs between them.
no matter if you've posted or not, if you've considered posting... or
considered NOT posting to something that you would normally have a stock answer
to... then i think you're on that edge, active in this circle and in this
practice. <br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Harold Shinsato <<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com" target="_blank">harold@shinsato.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Dear Michael M,<br>
<br>
The "forbidding" aspect of a space with this many listeners for me
had nothing to do with the "size" of people taking up the space as it
did the pure size of the group and the number of listeners who felt like
strangers. True, the power and value of the content and the contributors raised
a high bar, but it's certainly not because it seemed to me like anyone was
"hogging" the space. If anything, this is an amazingly welcoming
group for its size and I'm certain it's because of the Open Space principles. I
could also see that questions were always warmly received and answered, but I
still felt after I joined that I'd better have a really good question to post
before I dared to do so.<br>
<br>
It makes it a lot easier for me to post now that I've been in actual Open Space
events with a number of the active contributors. In some ways, the <a href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.ning.com" target="_blank">OpenSpaceWorld.ning.com</a>
site also makes it easier to post - because over there I can see a lot of your
faces and it's easier to feel the humanity of many of those posting - as well
as being in smaller circle conversations. Like they say in writing and speaking
classes, know your audience. It just takes more time with a group with 600+
listeners.<br>
<font color="#888888"><span style="color:rgb(136, 136, 136)"><br>
Harold</span></font></span></font></p>
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Michael M Pannwitz wrote:</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Dear Michael Dobbie,<br>
hope you have a great time in Australia and run into many of the os-workers
there! Are you facilitating os-events there or do os-related stuff? I remember<br>
Since I have always just simply participated in the oslist, the aspect of being
invited never came to my mind. Maybe that contributes to what Harold (and many,
as he states) perceives as "forbidding", fat guys like me taking up
the space.<br>
The "roll call" in process did reveal to me that there are many on
the list who are mostly in the "learning" mode (as in the Law:
"I honor a group with my absence if I neither learn nor contribute. If I
learn, I stay, If I contribute, I stay. But if neither nor, I leave.")<br>
By the way, I noticed that the email you used in your post varies from the one
in your info box in the Open Space World Map...let me know if you would like to
have it adjusted).<br>
Greetings from Berlin<br>
mmp </span></font></p>
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