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color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On 28.11.2009, at 19:10, Harrison Owen wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" color="red" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: red; "> “I often get the question from managers “would’nt it be better if we stayed out of the conversations?”.</span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" color="red" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: red; "> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" color="red" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; 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">www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</span></font></a></span></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" color="red" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: red; "> </span></font></p><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">-----Original Message-----<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OSLIST [<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Katia<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, November 28, 2009 1:50 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Power, hierarchy and OS</span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></p><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" face="Consolas"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">Raffi, thank you for the reference to the OS Idea Book (and Lisa for writing it!). I was just about to post a question about whether such a document exists. I often get the question from managers “would’nt it be better if we stayed out of the conversations?”. I love it when they raise this point, because it allows me to explore the subject. But often I only meet a design team / part of the management, and having a document that can be used as a reference will definitely help.</span></font></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" face="Consolas"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; "> </span></font></p><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" face="Consolas"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">I’m off to Amazon now, to purchase the book!</span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" face="Consolas"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">Katia</span></font></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" face="Consolas"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; "> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></font></p></div>* * ========================================================== OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <a href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a> * * ========================================================== OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <a href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>*
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