<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Harold </div><div><br></div><div>In response to your email I find myself thinking how different would our interactions be if we really knew and felt the size of the virtual room we were speaking to. Those who are silent would be so much more present in their silence. We would see people using their two feet as they left.. (i left and came back by the way! Did you notice the strength of my emotional response? ) And we would feel the excitement in the space between us as things shifted. Politeness would not be something we remember or forget but a diffferent kind of edge we have to cross because the whole group would be holding that dynamic and differentiation in an aware way... Perhaps. </div><div><br></div><div>At the moment I have to work hard to remember and imagine all who are really here. </div><div> </div><div>When will computers include the felt sense of our interactions and when will we grow awareness of those missing signals online? </div><div><br></div><div>Somewhere we can't imagine it yet but until we develop this capacity online communication is going to be incomplete and missing Spirit. </div><div><br></div><div>Here's to imagining and remembering what might be .. Being said in the silence! </div><div><br></div><div>An invitation to speak up perhaps.. I don't know </div><div><br></div><div>This is the only way I can find into this conversation! </div><div><br></div><div>Phelim </div><div> </div><div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Nov 22, 2009, at 12:31 AM, Harold Shinsato <<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">harold@shinsato.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
Tree,<br>
<br>
Thanks for your courage, posting into a circle that from where I sit
doesn't look like it is welcoming your input. I salute you. I'm
intrigued with your mentioning the work of Humberto Maturana, and would
enjoy hearing more (email me privately if you think it won't be of
interest to the rest of us).<br>
<br>
A couple points - I don't think Michael can be faulted for wanting to
maintain leadership and management of <a href="http://openspaceworld.org">openspaceworld.org</a> when it seems
to be doing rather well (#1 ranking), and especially if the community
is supporting him. The vote is in, as far as I can tell, for the status
quo.<br>
<br>
In terms of suppression, I'm not sure I'm hearing that - at least not
explicitly. It might (or might not) be implicit. But what I am hearing,
and I support, is a request to keep some civility and decorum. Being
polite isn't as fashionable as it used to be, but good manners give a
decided advantage in getting a point through most of the time because
it reduces the urge to kill the messenger rather than face the unwanted
communication. When a message is going to be hard to hear, it takes
away a lot of the sting if we use "I" statements. This employs advances
in psychological awareness about communication. When we do that, we are
explicit about offering a reading from "what it looks like from here",
rather than an attempt to state (or define) what's objectively real.
Not that that's wrong. A spade is, yes, a spade. But if I see a spade,
and you see a heart - maybe it's good to compare notes in more detail
about my "spade" and your "heart" before we start fighting about the
objective reality.<br>
<br>
A bunch of fallible brains giving differing and even contradictory
reports might feel irritating, but probably not threatening. When we
advance into the realm of "objective reality" too quickly, it's going
to feel like a trespass. It will feel like I'm wrong, you're right.
Maybe that conflict needs to happen - but only after we all get a
chance to see and integrate what all these amazing brains and psyche's
around us are seeing/feeling/thinking/observing.<br>
<br>
I really am in support of what I see Kaliya trying to do in moving
towards a community managed site, and I'm supporting her with my time
and input. But I don't much care for shouting with all caps, calling
people dictators, and saying someone's life work is lame. Just my
personal bias, I'm not saying it's wrong to do so. In fact, I just told
my manager a little while ago that she should tell me if something I'm
doing sucks. But we've established some trust. In a huge forum like
this one - how much do we really even know each other (all 600+ of us)?
How much do we even know how far these one's and zero's are ringing out
there to be construed - or misconstrued. Anyway, that's just how it
looks from where I'm sitting.<br>
<br>
Harold<br>
<br>
<br>
Tree Fitzpatrick wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:804ca7d20911211632v4ba2f810l9663162fc71509a8@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">Michael, are you willing to relinquish your ownerhsip of <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://openspaceworld.org"><a href="http://openspaceworld.org">openspaceworld.org</a></a>?
I think that would be best for the worldwide OS community. A subdomain
of your personal website is not, in my opinion, open.<br>
<br>
Thanks, Kaliya, for asking others to voice their possibly negative
experiences with Michael Herman. For myself, I am feeling resentful of
the suppression taking place in this discussion. I resent suggestions
to use non-violent communication when it is used, as it seems to be
here, to inhibit expression.<br>
<br>
Is anyone on this list familiar with the work of Humberto Maturana? He
posits that much of what is 'wrong' with human culture is we suppress
what 'is' and pressure others to only disclose what fits the existing
paradigms. As long as folks post lovey-dovey calls for only 'positive'
expression, negativity is not allowed into the light. There is no
sunlight without shadow and, still speaking only for myself, it takes a
lot of love -- in this instance my love for the practice of OS -- to
speak my truth, even when it is negative.<br>
<br>
I read a lot of invitation in this list for OS but only 'openness' for
the positive.<br>
<br>
I believe there is a shadow element here that some are pressuring the
rest of us to suppress. We can go on suppressing. Yes indeed we can.
In OS, where I live, it is often very loving, positive, affirmative,
appreciative and nonviolent to voice what I see in the dark.<br>
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