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Tree<div><br></div><div>Why not spend your energy on creating something you want rather than asking Michael to give over something he created?</div><div><br></div><div>Why not taking him up on his willingness to list whatever you come up with? I got the sense that he is willing to do whatever to help boost the rankings of whatever new is created. </div><div><br></div><div>why not go for it?</div><div><br></div><div>Am I missing something here?</div><div><br></div><div>Denise</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 21, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Tree Fitzpatrick wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Michael, are you willing to relinquish your ownerhsip of <a href="http://openspaceworld.org">openspaceworld.org</a>? I think that would be best for the worldwide OS community. A subdomain of your personal website is not, in my opinion, open.<br> <br>Thanks, Kaliya, for asking others to voice their possibly negative experiences with Michael Herman. For myself, I am feeling resentful of the suppression taking place in this discussion. I resent suggestions to use non-violent communication when it is used, as it seems to be here, to inhibit expression.<br> <br>Is anyone on this list familiar with the work of Humberto Maturana? He posits that much of what is 'wrong' with human culture is we suppress what 'is' and pressure others to only disclose what fits the existing paradigms. As long as folks post lovey-dovey calls for only 'positive' expression, negativity is not allowed into the light. There is no sunlight without shadow and, still speaking only for myself, it takes a lot of love -- in this instance my love for the practice of OS -- to speak my truth, even when it is negative.<br> <br>I read a lot of invitation in this list for OS but only 'openness' for the positive.<br><br>I believe there is a shadow element here that some are pressuring the rest of us to suppress. We can go on suppressing. Yes indeed we can. In OS, where I live, it is often very loving, positive, affirmative, appreciative and nonviolent to voice what I see in the dark.<br> <br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Michael Herman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com">michael@michaelherman.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> kaliya, did you see my offer to host things in subdomain(s) at <a href="http://openspaceworld.org" target="_blank">openspaceworld.org</a>? have you definitely decided that it's better to host elsewhere? (knowing so would help me think about the future of osw) ...and if that's the case, would creating subdomains at osw that simply pointed to your separate site(s) confer any google-ranking benefits to the new sites? if so, i should look at creating those sorts of subdomain pointers for other sites already existing, like worldmap and scape and .com. is there anything other than linking that could be done from osw that would support yours and other separate site(s)? <br> <div class="im"> <br>m<br><br><br clear="all"> <br>--<br><br>Michael Herman<br>Michael Herman Associates<br><br><a href="http://www.michaelherman.com" target="_blank">http://www.michaelherman.com</a><br><a href="http://www.ronanparktrail.com" target="_blank">http://www.ronanparktrail.com</a><br> <a href="http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org" target="_blank">http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org</a><br><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org</a><br><br>312-280-7838 (mobile)<br> <br><br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Kaliya * <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:identitywoman@gmail.com" target="_blank">identitywoman@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> If the new list of Kaliya is about continuing this conversation and calling upon somebody who is not even there, I can just say: good luck. I won't be there. </blockquote></div><div><br>The list I put up at the request of people who did not want to hear about how we could collaboratively organize our online presence together on this list is focused on the things I articulated that it was for. <br> <br>We are currently are looking at wiki choices - MediaWiki, MindTouch Wiki, Wagn and choosing which one would be good for the community. <br><br>We will then choose where /how to host it. Likely just on the MindTouch service - this is "ok" because it is open source and we can if want download it and move off of their hosting service. It is also a wysiwig editing.<br> <br>There is a whole thread about the blog and blog aggregator exploring options in that realm. <br>Next we will have to figure out which domain name goes with what and how we weave it all together. <br><br>Good thing about MindTouch is that it has CSS and lots of ability to edit. <br> <br>We will then consider what the front page should look like - what are the most important elements? how do we hilghlight them. <br>How do we have a list of practitioners? Is that what people want?<br><br>How will we collectively manage it? What will the different rolls be? How long will people commit to participating in those rolls? <br> Who has power to post to front page - how do we decide that?<br><br>feel free to join in. <br>We are work focused. <br>-Kaliya<br><br></div></div> * * ========================================================== <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a> ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of <a href="mailto:oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu" target="_blank">oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>: <a href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html" target="_blank">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a> </blockquote></div><br> * * ========================================================== <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a> ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of <a href="mailto:oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu" target="_blank">oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>: <a href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html" target="_blank">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Love rays,<br>Tree Fitzpatrick (check out my new address)<br><br><br>. . . the great and incalculable grace of love, which says, with Augustine, "I want you to be," without being able to give any particular reason for such supreme and unsurpassable affirmation. -- Hannah Arendt<br> <br>2175 Kittredge St Apt 615<br>Berkeley, CA 94704<br>510-665-4825<br> * * ========================================================== OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <a href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>*
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