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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Tree,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My comments are not intended to be
“deceptive” or “disingenuous.” Based on my
understanding of the situation, Michael owns a website, which he built and has
maintained with willing contributions from others in this community. His
website has served this community in creating an online place to share content
and resources, but the website itself is his to manage as he sees fit. It
is true that he has created a successful brand that search engines readily find
and web traffic is directed to his site. I can see how the website could
be improved to enhance the look and feel and aesthetic experience, and how this
could benefit all OS practitioners since so many people seeking information
about OS online will find themselves at this website. However, whether
people like it or not, the site rightfully belongs to Michael, and though one
may respectfully make suggestions and propose changes one might like to see on
his website, it is his right to decide the best use of his resources. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Criticizing his efforts that have served
this community so well for so long and acting as if one is entitled to make
changes on a website that one doesn’t own seems like an odd and
counterproductive approach. Personally attacking Michael, or anyone for
that matter, to lend credence to one’s perspective, just seems
mean-spirited. If you have personal issues with Michael, speak directly
with Michael. As far as the issue of where search engines direct traffic,
as far as I know, Michael doesn’t have total control over how his site is
ranked, but the fact that his site is ranked so high seems well-deserved to me
given all the work he has done over the years to build the brand.
Suggesting that we’re somehow entitled to his website or entitled to
change his website because his website is number one in the rankings just
doesn’t make sense to me, so if he is standing in the way of some people
taking over his website, well, that seems perfectly appropriate from my
perspective. I would stand in the way of anyone taking over my website
too. That said, as far as I know, Michael is and has been open to making
changes on his website for the benefit of this community. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If one wants more changes than he is
willing to make on his site, and one wants to create a collaborative community
website owned by and for this community, I imagine that this can be done.
I imagine that it may be initially more challenging to get the website traffic
and rankings one desires, but if any community could figure this out, I trust
that this community would do so. Meanwhile, I’m still thankful that
this community has been and is served by Michael’s website—and
Lisa’s website—and many other websites individually owned by
members of this community. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Karen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#409F9D'><a
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color="#409f9d"><span style='color:#409F9D;text-decoration:none'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#409F9D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#409f9d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#409F9D'><a href="http://www.luminacoaching.com/"
title="blocked::http://www.luminacoaching.com/"><span
title="blocked::http://www.luminacoaching.com/"><font color="#409f9d"><span
style='color:#409F9D;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=195 height=44
id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image001.gif@01CA6845.444364E0"
title="blocked::http://www.luminacoaching.com/"></span></font></a></span></span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:9.0pt'><font size=2
color="#4b9e9c" face=Perpetua><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Perpetua;
color:#4B9E9C'> lumina fr. L. <em><i><font face=Perpetua><span
style='font-family:Perpetua'>light, air, opening... </span></font></i></em></span></font><em><i><font
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3.0pt;margin-left:0in'><font size=1 color="#4b9e9c" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#4B9E9C'>Karen Sella <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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3.0pt;margin-left:0in'><font size=1 color="#4b9e9c" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#4B9E9C'>Consulting: <a
href="http://www.integralventures.com"
title="blocked::http://www.integralventures.com/"><font color="#4b9e9c"
title="blocked::http://www.integralventures.com/"><span
title="blocked::http://www.integralventures.com/"><span style='color:#4B9E9C'>www.integralventures.com</span></span></font></a></span></font><font
size=1 color="#4b9e9c"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#4B9E9C'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.0pt;margin-left:0in'><font size=1 color="#4b9e9c" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#4B9E9C'>Phone: 1.206.780.2998</span></font><font
size=1 color="#4b9e9c"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#4B9E9C'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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3.0pt;margin-left:0in'><font size=1 color="#4b9e9c" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#4B9E9C'>Skype: karensella</span></font><font
size=1 color="#4b9e9c"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#4B9E9C'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Tree Fitzpatrick<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 18, 2009
3:15 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>] Come join us at Open Space Technology World
Community Ning site!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Karen . . .your comments
are distractingly sweet and lovely .. . but with your comments do not address
Kaliya's very imporant point that when people do any internet search looking
for open space technology, they are directed to Michael's website . . . but the
OS community does not own the site, Michael does. Your sweetly deceptive
comments that someone, or a bunch of someones, can get together and build
something else are disingenuous and you fail to address Kaliya's point. <br>
<br>
We can't build something else: Michael owns the website that is standing
in the way of the OS community from having a collaboratively created,
recognized and used website. I bet it is good for his business but it is
a major block to the evolution of a professional internet presence for OST.<br>
<br>
Michael dominates the spot all search engines send people when they google
'open space technology' . . we all own that langauge but michael controls the
worldwide intersection.<br>
<br>
It isn't right, that he controls it . . . not for open space. Out of all
the things that should be open, surely open space ought to be open on the
internet?<br>
<br>
Lisa's effort is an attempt to get around the stumbling block that is Michael
and MIchael is resisting it, probably because his ego is strongly attached to
it. If he were as open as he claims, he would step aside, open his website up
to this whole community and trust the community. I don't see him offering to
step aside.<br>
<br>
Of course he can have his own website . . but the search engines send everyone
to his site. He should step aside. As Kaliya says, we all ought to
own the spot where Google sends people when they search for OST: it would
be a great thing for OST. It's about opening more space but Michael and his
acolytes on this list are being obtuse when they spout his empty rhetoric.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Karen Sella <<a
href="mailto:karen@luminacoaching.com"
title="blocked::mailto:karen@luminacoaching.com">karen@luminacoaching.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>If someone builds a space—“building”—and
invites everyone in a community to come whenever they like, but doesn’t
give everyone the keys or the ability to renovate the place, I consider that
place a gift, not an obstacle. If I don’t like the building or the
fact that I can’t do whatever I like in it or the fact that it gets a lot
of (well-deserved) attention, I can create another building or invite people in
the community to join me in the effort to create something else—and all
without calling the creator of the original building a “dictator.”
It may not meet everyone’s needs, but I kind of like the old place and
I’m truly grateful to the person, Michael, who created it, as well as all
the others who have contributed to it throughout the years. If someone or
a bunch of some ones get together, and builds another place to open some space,
extending the invitation to hang out there too, I imagine that I would
appreciate aspects, if not everything, about the character of that building
too… </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:3.0pt'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:3.0pt'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Karen</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=1 color="#409f9d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#409F9D'><a href="http://www.luminacoaching.com/" target="_blank"
title="blocked::http://www.luminacoaching.com/"></a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#409f9d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:#409F9D'><a href="http://www.luminacoaching.com/" target="_blank"
title="blocked::http://www.luminacoaching.com/"><span
title="blocked::http://www.luminacoaching.com/"><font color="#409f9d"><span
style='color:#409F9D;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=195 height=44
id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image001.gif@01CA6845.444364E0"
title="blocked::http://www.luminacoaching.com/"></span></font></a></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in;text-indent:9.0pt'><font size=2 color="#4b9e9c" face=Perpetua><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Perpetua;color:#4B9E9C'> lumina fr. L.
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>light, air, opening... </span></i></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:3.0pt'><font
size=1 color="#4b9e9c" face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#4B9E9C'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:3.0pt'><font
size=1 color="#4b9e9c" face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#4B9E9C'>Karen Sella </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=1 color="#4b9e9c" face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#4B9E9C'>Coaching: <a href="http://www.luminacoaching.com"
target="_blank" title="blocked::http://www.luminacoaching.com/"><font
color="#4b9e9c" title="blocked::http://www.luminacoaching.com/"><span
title="blocked::http://www.luminacoaching.com/"><span style='color:#4B9E9C'>www.luminacoaching.com</span></span></font></a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:3.0pt'><font
size=1 color="#4b9e9c" face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#4B9E9C'>Consulting: <a href="http://www.integralventures.com"
target="_blank" title="blocked::http://www.integralventures.com/"><font
color="#4b9e9c" title="blocked::http://www.integralventures.com/"><span
title="blocked::http://www.integralventures.com/"><span style='color:#4B9E9C'>www.integralventures.com</span></span></font></a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=1 color="#4b9e9c" face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#4B9E9C'>Phone: 1.206.780.2998</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=1 color="#4b9e9c" face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#4B9E9C'>Skype: karensella</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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