suzanne, what i'm suggesting (asking, really) is that the oslist (all of us, myself included, who won't be, for the moment anyway, actively ninging) could receive a daily digest of postings that happen at ning. if this was workable, ning-ers would get full functionality of that space and go nuts with it. and we only-oslist-ers could get a single daily email, so we could listen in on what's developing. <br>
<br>this seems to serve many needs and interests, without drawing any hard lines. it keeps everyone together, expanding without dividing. inviting without imposing. <br><br>the big question is... what sort of output could be generated from ning, directed to a (gmail?) account, or even an <a href="http://openspaceworld.org">openspaceworld.org</a> account, that would simply forward it to the oslist for us. <br>
<br>hope this clarifies, suzanne. <br><br>and to holger, or lisa or artur or anybody else already on planet ning... will they let you pump out some sort of daily email of what's happening there?<br><br>m<br clear="all">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Suzanne Daigle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sdaigle4@gmail.com">sdaigle4@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Michael, For me, for now the oslist is the place that I still want to call "home". It feels just right for its purpose -- a place to gain insights and share happenings from a global community in the moment. Not too many emails or at least I can easily skip and delete it off my blackberry knowing it's waiting for me in my gmail inbox. <br>
<br>The new "ning" space of the Open Space community, of the Unleashing Leadership event in Canada last week and the Taiwan OS event before that are the places that I will want to visit occasionally to engage in more intimate conversations on a specific topic perhaps, to see photos, to say hi to people I know. In time, I may feel differently. <br>
<br>As you describe it below, is there a risk that I'd get tons more emails via os list by adding Ning alerts? Or is what you describe below a decision that I can choose to make on my own: keep oslist separate or combine it myself with Ning? <br>
<br>Suzanne<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Michael Herman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com" target="_blank">michael@michaelherman.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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i am amazed and delighted to hear that ning has so many signing on so quickly. earlier this morning i have added a link to the ning site from the homepage of <a href="http://openspaceworld.org" target="_blank">openspaceworld.org</a>. when the announcement came out yesterday, i blogged it at osw as well, but forgot to make the homepage link.<br>
<br>so to your question about oslist vs. ning discussion platform, holger... here is how it might be accomplished... simply make one list a member of the other. this does require making one primary to the other, because without this decision the work around will cause permanently circular bouncing replies. maybe 'primary' isn't quite right. it's really a question of where the action will be and where the action will be also reported. <br>
<br>for instance, set up a gmail account that receives all the ning activity and forwards it to the oslist, as a member of the list. oslist members would then be able to see all of the postings, probably best in some sort of digest form, at the new ning space. so you could use the ning space, but report everything through gmail back to the list. this would, in effect, create a running invitation to the ning group.<br>
<br>i'm not familiar with the mechanics of the ning platform, but obviously there is more there than email list. it seems impractical to not use the ning discussion tools in concert with whatever other tools are there. you could use the same forwarding membership mechanism to report everything happening on oslist to the ning group(s), but i think that doesn't work as well. it doesn't make sense for oslist to be continually dangling that invitation into the ning community. the direction of flow seems to be from oslist to ning, opening into a bigger, fuller-featured space. google wave might very well be the next opening after that, but ning is happening right now. <br>
<br>so the key point seems to be that we can move into new spaces without destroying or abandoning the old things that have served us so well, so far. i will come back to this in the other thread, perhaps yet today. but for now, i'd propose one way forward is to use all of ning and make oslist a member so that the list collectively can see what is happening. running this through a separate <a href="mailto:osw-ning@gmail.com" target="_blank">osw-ning@gmail.com</a> email address would make ning alerts easy to spot (to read or ignore) and a daily digest function seems essential so as not to blow up the oslist.<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Wendy Farmer-O'Neil <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wendy@xe.net" target="_blank">wendy@xe.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi friends,<br>
I'm just starting to explore and learn Google Wave. I think there are a few of you out there a bit ahead of me on the curve for that. Isn't integration of these various info streams what it is designed to do? Once it's out of beta, won't those who choose to use it be able to pull OSList, facebook, twitter, ning, etc streams into one OS wave?<br>
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I support open source solutions in parallel with commercial solutions, and also recognize that they take not only passion, but money, time, and expertise as forms of responsibility in order to realize them. If this conversation results in a group forming to create that for our community I will gladly support it with my participation as that is the only form of responsibility i currently have available to contribute.<br>
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Many communities are having this conversation. The explosion of social media has created tremendous diversity and the potential that accompanies that. The conversations over which tool, which platform, etc are raging all over the place. What I see beginning to emerge is a recognition of the new need to help users make the most of this diversity by creating tools that allow for the integration and management of these diverse information flows rather than the monopolization and control of them.<br>
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What has always mattered most to me about OSList and why i continue to read and contribute as i can, is that it continues to be the most accessible platform for a global audience. There are many out there who still don't have the kind of connectivity and bandwidth that most of the new tools require. It matters to me that some of the most vital conversations about OS happen in a forum that the lowest tech amongst us can access. (And there are a number of us out here who keep our own archival copies of everything that happens here. So if the main archive was suddenly shut down, i'm sure it wouldn't take us very long to stitch together a new one elsewhere.) I am also aware of the fact that this conversation happens in English and of the colonial history and privilege of that. So i support the emergence of an online space where we can see conversations happening in other languages simultaneously. The Ning platform appears to be doing that at this time, so i feel glad in my heart to see that.<br>
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And please, while we have this conversation, would we keep our respect and care for each other uppermost. I try to always envision us sitting in a circle together in an OS space having these conversations. To hold each precious presence with care matters to me. Whether i agree with you or not, like you or not, have been hurt or harmed by you or not, is irrelevant. I still hold each of you essential to our community. I support the call for an end to personal attacks and a return to responsibly stated personal contributions. Email can be a hard medium for passionate conversation. It's easy to be misunderstood and misunderstand.<br>
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Love to all,<br>
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On 18-Nov-09, at 1:54 AM, Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation) wrote:<br>
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It is really fascinating to see how quick the new Ning group is growing<br>
(<a href="http://openspaceworld.ning.com/" target="_blank">http://openspaceworld.ning.com/</a>). I predict that in 2 weeks, we will have<br>
like 200-300 members, and growing. In particular I like that we will have<br>
country specific subgroups, and that might be the main focus of the Ning<br>
group in the future. But it might also be that it will become the major<br>
platform for our community.<br>
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However, the Ning group raises a central question: in case, the group will<br>
convert into a major network platform for the OS community, what will happen<br>
with the OS Mailing List?<br>
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As I have posted on the Ning today, I vote for maintaining this Listserv for<br>
quite a while, and continuing to use this as the main discussion forum.<br>
People got used to it, and in my experience, the OS folks are among the most<br>
change resistant people that I have met in my life.<br>
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In order not to divide the stream of discussion, I am in favour not to have<br>
a discussion feature at the Ning platform (or, only for the subgroups).<br>
Otherwise, people will be quite confused on where to post.<br>
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I hope that in future all the national / language specific groups will move<br>
to the Ning platform (however, in the German community there is some strong<br>
resistance to that).<br>
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What I would love to see is an integration of this list with the Ning<br>
platform. The ideal would be that one can post from here and it appears in<br>
the Ning platform and the other way round. I am pretty sure that this is<br>
technically feasible but I have no idea how. It seems that the Listserv does<br>
not support RSS feeds (and I am not sure whether RSS feeds are the solution,<br>
probably not).<br>
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If we would agree that integration is a good step, I would do some further<br>
research and also engage a developer to help us out. Ideas?<br>
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