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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And another thing about Ning sites is that they are blocked by
Mainland China. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><b><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mark
Pixley<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><b><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Managing
Director<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><a
href="http://www.leadershipinc.com.cn/"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=236 height=79
id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CA6784.2CC655A0"
alt="LEADERSHIP INC
Facilitating Organizational Change
in Greater China"></span></a><span
style='font-family:SimSun;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tel:
86-755-82111366<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fax:
86-755-82116438<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mob:
86-13068445641<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>HK:
852-65280641<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Skype:
mjpixley<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="mailto:mark@leadershipinc.com.cn">mark@leadershipinc.com.cn</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.leadershipinc.com.cn/">www.leadershipinc.com.cn</a></span><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:SimSun;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kaliya *<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSLIST] Come join us at Open Space Technology World
Community Ning site!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>While appreciate the invitation
to this space. <br>
<br>
I really object to bringing the community to private service. The company
NING is just like facebook or myspace it is managed and controlled ultimately
by a corporation. <br>
<br>
It is closed source (the code that is used underlying the site is owned and not
viewable by us).<br>
<br>
The data of our use and the people on it - it is not clear about where
it goes. <br>
<br>
The community life all the information is "stuck" in the system - it
is not using open standards - so that at some point we wanted to leave NING we
could.<br>
<br>
Ning does not have open standards avaliable for the activities on the site and
HAS NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY of the conversations around developing or adopting
those under development for social activities on the web. <br>
<br>
There is NO Reason to do this. <br>
<br>
I think it would be much more responsible to get a REAL COMMUNITY LIFE
AROUND <br>
<br>
1) A WIKI that is build on an open source "mainstream" wiki. <br>
2) A BLOG with community members contributing to and with different members
free to start their own blogs<br>
3) A robust commenting system<br>
4) A twitter strategy for lists and community connections in that medium. <br>
<br>
ALL of the above can be built on open source tools <br>
On servers that we manage and control. ( Or in the cloud but on our terms and
we can move to a new service if we don't like. )<br>
<br>
No corporate entity can choose to turn it off. We "own" it. <br>
<br>
All of the above can implement a common way to let members of the community
login across all of them with one login/password using OpenID. <br>
<br>
NING HAS NOT PLANS to Implement OpenID - (or any of the other standards)<br>
<a href="http://developer.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1185512%3ATopic%3A11361">http://developer.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1185512%3ATopic%3A11361</a><br>
<br>
<br>
I have been talking about this for well over a year but apparently there is no
movement by the Open Space institute by the actually developing the community
tools in community. <br>
<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Kaliya * <<a
href="mailto:identitywoman@gmail.com">identitywoman@gmail.com</a>> </span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: OSLIST <<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@listserv.boisestate.edu">OSLIST@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Lisa just pinged me about
this e-mail on the list and asked I respond. </span><br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I don't have time until next week to surface
and comment fully. I on the 4th day of 12 days in a row of
"traditional" conferences that I attending as a participant
speaker. </span><br>
<br>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt'>At the core of a comment I made in response
to a request for a donation to the OSI USA. </span><br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I would like to see the core community site
have:</span><br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt'>* a mainstream wiki that has broad access
rights. (this is an editable website) yes there is currently a wiki -
and no it is not a current mainstream wiki platform (there for has a
non-normal syntax) and it has restricted access rights. </span><br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt'>* an aggregation of blogs and another one
for microblogging for practitioners that pulls in the feeds from all
the things that practitioners publish in these formats aggregated (via RSS)
into one space (example from my technical community is Planet Identity (<a
href="http://www.planetidentity.org/" target="_blank">http://www.planetidentity.org</a>)</span><br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt'>* admin access rights and responsibility
held by several people (not just one person who if hit by a truck basically
limits capacity of the whole community to function). </span><br>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#888888'>-Kaliya</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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TECHNOLOGY strategy for this community should be done in an open transparent
way. <br>
<br>
It should use "the best of" open source (this is very different then
"free tools" that are closed source and corporate owned with
"them untimately in control) and focus on using open standards where
possible. <br>
<br>
It should be developed in a way that includes the wisdom of those of us with
tech backgrounds and done in a way that explains our decisions to smart people
who are "not techies" so they understand the decisions/strategies and
agree they are in alignment with the community values and vision. <br>
<br>
<br>
<b><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>global proceedings aggregator?</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Michael Herman <<a
href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com">michael@michaelherman.com</a>> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:54 PM </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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href="mailto:OSLIST@listserv.boisestate.edu">OSLIST@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>here's a new one, i think.
for the techies among us.<br>
<br>
how would you capture proceedings if you were to have, say, dozens, or<br>
even hundreds of events convened simultaneously and you wanted<br>
everybody everywhere to be able to post their proceedings into one<br>
central place. everybody except spammers, of course. videos can
be<br>
posted to youtube and tagged. photos to flickr. but what about
the<br>
text proceedings? and there is also the issue of a directory of event<br>
locations. hoping this wouldn't require a dedicated<br>
application/platform. here are some ideas.<br>
<br>
-listserve like yahoo or google group - non-public is a downside<br>
-facebook group - non-public is downside here too<br>
-wiki - might be too complex for rapid scale-up<br>
-blog - might be coolest, but might require moderation<br>
-twitter - might there be a way to collect only the issues raised<br>
everywhere? tagged by location, perhaps? could happen more places<br>
cuz could send from cellphones?<br>
-blog - could make a post or page for every event reported and then<br>
let them post comments.<br>
-just get everyone to start their own simple, free blog and use a blog<br>
aggregator... might miss a lot of sites.<br>
-google docs?<br>
-blog with a single "guest/contributor" username and password,<br>
publicly posted, with user only allowed to post reports, tagging for<br>
author and location within the post?<br>
<br>
...this last option might be best, but then we get to the question of<br>
what if it all really works and folks wanted to post some stream of<br>
ongoing results and actions. could happen. so the system might
want<br>
to support that.<br>
<br>
anything else you can think of out there in social networking space<br>
that could support such a thing?<br>
<br>
i think i like the twitter option, but have no idea if it can be made<br>
to function in this way. could all of this be aimed at a single<br>
twitter name, or just tagged with a single twitter tag? and somehow<br>
captured in a way taht was searchable and scrollable long after the<br>
first events occured?<br>
then there's the scenario where somehow we get to hack up a new<br>
version of the world map <grin>.<br>
so that's as far as i can guess, and maybe even a little past that.
thoughts?<br>
many thanks,<br>
<br>
m</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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I read now that someone wrote in this thread "that NING does all
this" I should have brought forward these concerns then and perhaps
get movement going in an open direction. I am sorry i didn't track that
thread. When I popped up and made the preceding comment I prefaced it
saying I was in the middle of conference season.<br>
<br>
You are all in luck. I just "finished" my unconference season and
have time to actually give to the communities I love and care about. <br>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I appreciate
the care and attention that <span style='color:black'>Artur Silva (Portugal),
Shufang Tsai (Taiwan) and Lisa Heft (USA) have put forward to do this. <br>
<br>
I get that it was a utilitarian choice and was not informed by deeper issues
and values choices that are being made by using closed source, proprietary and
non-open standards based tools. It was only done in love with the best
intentions. I feel I have to speak up because I am technologically literate
particularly in this area about openness and standards - it is where my core
open space facilitation work is - with communities developing an open layer of
the web that is social and community driven. <br>
<br>
I hope that I can work with others in the community who want to make the most
open choices possible and a collaborative on a future looking online/tech
strategy for the community. <br>
</span></span><br>
Regards, <br>
-Kaliya<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Lisa Heft <<a
href="mailto:lisaheft@openingspace.net">lisaheft@openingspace.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:black'>welcome you to join us at the:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#8406FF'>Open Space World Community Ning site</span></b><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#007E80'>A gathering place for sharing, learning, resources and
community.</span></b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:black'>-- create and host or join a regional group in your own language<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:black'>-- see the photos of members - including your wonderful OSLIST
colleagues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:black'>-- post links to photos, videos, tweets or blogs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:black'>-- create calendar listings for your events<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:black'>-- create or join a theme-based group about whatever you would
like!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:black'>-- engage in live chat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:black'>This co-created Ning web portal for all things Open Space is a
compliment to the rich and welcoming dialogue of OSLIST and all our web-based
resources such as <a href="http://openspaceworld.org" target="_blank">openspaceworld.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#007E80'>It is free.</span></b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:
"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
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improvement you may recommend...there is even a 'Caring for this Online
Community' Group you can join...and if anything does not work smoothly we will
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