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Hi Kaliya, while I'm not as uncomfortable with closed proprietary
standards, I think that's mostly a weakness on my part and I applaud
your call for us to use more open standards. I don't think it's going
to happen without leaders to take it on. I'm willing to chip in for
something - how can we make it happen? What sets of standards to you
recommend? I think we could do it for less than $150 a year - but maybe
there's a way to do it cheaper? If not, I'm willing to put some $ into
it, though it may not get used if folks don't "get it" the way you
do... Any thoughts about how to get broad adoption? Anyway, consider me
a helper if you want to spearhead something.<br>
<br>
Harold<br>
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Kaliya * wrote:
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type="cite">While appreciate the invitation to this space. <br>
<br>
I really object to bringing the community to private service. The
company NING is just like facebook or myspace it is managed and
controlled ultimately by a corporation. <br>
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It is closed source (the code that is used underlying the site is owned
and not viewable by us).<br>
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The data of our use and the people on it - it is not clear about
where it goes. <br>
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The community life all the information is "stuck" in the system - it is
not using open standards - so that at some point we wanted to leave
NING we could.<br>
<br>
Ning does not have open standards avaliable for the activities on the
site and HAS NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY of the conversations around
developing or adopting those under development for social activities on
the web. <br>
<br>
There is NO Reason to do this. <br>
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I think it would be much more responsible to get a REAL COMMUNITY LIFE
AROUND <br>
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1) A WIKI that is build on an open source "mainstream" wiki. <br>
2) A BLOG with community members contributing to and with different
members free to start their own blogs<br>
3) A robust commenting system<br>
4) A twitter strategy for lists and community connections in that
medium. <br>
<br>
ALL of the above can be built on open source tools <br>
On servers that we manage and control. ( Or in the cloud but on our
terms and we can move to a new service if we don't like. )<br>
<br>
No corporate entity can choose to turn it off. We "own" it. <br>
<br>
All of the above can implement a common way to let members of the
community login across all of them with one login/password using
OpenID. <br>
<br>
NING HAS NOT PLANS to Implement OpenID - (or any of the other standards)<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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I have been talking about this for well over a year but apparently
there is no movement by the Open Space institute by the actually
developing the community tools in community. <br>
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<div style="margin-left: 40px;"><font size="-1"><b>Kaliya *
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<div style="margin-left: 40px;"><font size="-1">Lisa just
pinged me about this e-mail on the list and asked I respond. </font><br>
<font size="-1">I
don't have time until next week to surface and comment fully. I on the
4th day of 12 days in a row of "traditional" conferences that I
attending as a participant speaker. </font><br>
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<font size="-1">At the core of a comment I made in
response to a request for a donation to the OSI USA. </font><br>
<font size="-1">I would like to see the core community
site have:</font><br>
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a mainstream wiki that has broad access rights. (this is an editable
website) yes there is currently a wiki - and no it is not a current
mainstream wiki platform (there for has a non-normal syntax) and it has
restricted access rights. </font><br>
<font size="-1">* an aggregation of blogs and another one
for microblogging for
practitioners that pulls in the feeds from all the things that
practitioners publish in these formats aggregated (via RSS) into one
space (example from my technical community is Planet Identity (<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.planetidentity.org/"
target="_blank">http://www.planetidentity.org</a>)</font><br>
<font size="-1">* admin access rights and responsibility
held by several people (not
just one person who if hit by a truck basically limits capacity of the
whole community to function). </font><br>
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<font size="-1"><font color="#888888">-Kaliya</font></font><br>
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TECHNOLOGY strategy for this community should be done in an open
transparent way. <br>
<br>
It should use "the best of" open source (this is very different then
"free tools" that are closed source and corporate owned with "them
untimately in control) and focus on using open standards where
possible. <br>
<br>
It should be developed in a way that includes the wisdom of those of us
with tech backgrounds and done in a way that explains our decisions to
smart people who are "not techies" so they understand the
decisions/strategies and agree they are in alignment with the community
values and vision. <br>
<br>
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<font size="+2"><b>global proceedings aggregator?</b></font><br>
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<font size="-1">here's a new one, i think. for the techies
among us.<br>
<br>
how would you capture proceedings if you were to have, say, dozens, or<br>
even hundreds of events convened simultaneously and you wanted<br>
everybody everywhere to be able to post their proceedings into one<br>
central place. everybody except spammers, of course. videos can be<br>
posted to youtube and tagged. photos to flickr. but what about the<br>
text proceedings? and there is also the issue of a directory of event<br>
locations. hoping this wouldn't require a dedicated<br>
application/platform. here are some ideas.<br>
<br>
-listserve like yahoo or google group - non-public is a downside<br>
-facebook group - non-public is downside here too<br>
-wiki - might be too complex for rapid scale-up<br>
-blog - might be coolest, but might require moderation<br>
-twitter - might there be a way to collect only the issues raised<br>
everywhere? tagged by location, perhaps? could happen more places<br>
cuz could send from cellphones?<br>
-blog - could make a post or page for every event reported and then<br>
let them post comments.<br>
-just get everyone to start their own simple, free blog and use a blog<br>
aggregator... might miss a lot of sites.<br>
-google docs?<br>
-blog with a single "guest/contributor" username and password,<br>
publicly posted, with user only allowed to post reports, tagging for<br>
author and location within the post?<br>
<br>
...this last option might be best, but then we get to the question of<br>
what if it all really works and folks wanted to post some stream of<br>
ongoing results and actions. could happen. so the system might want<br>
to support that.<br>
<br>
anything else you can think of out there in social networking space<br>
that could support such a thing?<br>
<br>
i think i like the twitter option, but have no idea if it can be made<br>
to function in this way. could all of this be aimed at a single<br>
twitter name, or just tagged with a single twitter tag? and somehow<br>
captured in a way taht was searchable and scrollable long after the<br>
first events occured?<br>
then there's the scenario where somehow we get to hack up a new<br>
version of the world map <grin>.<br>
so that's as far as i can guess, and maybe even a little past that.
thoughts?<br>
many thanks,<br>
<br>
m<br>
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I read now that someone wrote in this thread "that NING does all this"
I should have brought forward these concerns then and perhaps get
movement going in an open direction. I am sorry i didn't track that
thread. When I popped up and made the
preceding comment I prefaced it saying I was in the middle of
conference season.<br>
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You are all in luck. I just "finished" my unconference season and have
time to actually give to the communities I love and care about. <br>
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<font size="2"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I
appreciate the care and attention that </span></font><span
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Silva (Portugal), Shufang Tsai (Taiwan) and Lisa Heft (USA) have put
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I get that it
was a utilitarian choice and was not informed by deeper issues and
values choices that are being made by using closed source, proprietary
and non-open standards based tools. It was only done in love with the
best intentions. I feel I have to speak up because I am technologically
literate particularly in this area about openness and standards - it is
where my core open space facilitation work is - with communities
developing an open layer of the web that is social and community
driven. <br>
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I hope that I can work with others in the community who want to make
the most open choices possible and a collaborative on a future looking
online/tech strategy for the community. <br>
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-Kaliya<br>
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>From Tue Nov 17 13:10:40 2009
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:10:40 +0800
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To: OSLIST <OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
From: Mark Pixley <mark@leadershipinc.com.cn>
Organization: LEADERSHIP INC
Subject: Re: Come join us at Open Space Technology World Community Ning
site!!
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And another thing about Ning sites is that they are blocked by Mainland
China.
Mark Pixley
Managing Director
<http://www.leadershipinc.com.cn/> LEADERSHIP INC
Facilitating Organizational Change
in Greater China
Tel: 86-755-82111366
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Mob: 86-13068445641
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Skype: mjpixley
mark@leadershipinc.com.cn
www.leadershipinc.com.cn <http://www.leadershipinc.com.cn/>
From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kaliya *
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:20 AM
To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Come join us at Open Space Technology World Community
Ning site!!
While appreciate the invitation to this space.
I really object to bringing the community to private service. The company
NING is just like facebook or myspace it is managed and controlled
ultimately by a corporation.
It is closed source (the code that is used underlying the site is owned and
not viewable by us).
The data of our use and the people on it - it is not clear about where it
goes.
The community life all the information is "stuck" in the system - it is not
using open standards - so that at some point we wanted to leave NING we
could.
Ning does not have open standards avaliable for the activities on the site
and HAS NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY of the conversations around developing or
adopting those under development for social activities on the web.
There is NO Reason to do this.
I think it would be much more responsible to get a REAL COMMUNITY LIFE
AROUND
1) A WIKI that is build on an open source "mainstream" wiki.
2) A BLOG with community members contributing to and with different members
free to start their own blogs
3) A robust commenting system
4) A twitter strategy for lists and community connections in that medium.
ALL of the above can be built on open source tools
On servers that we manage and control. ( Or in the cloud but on our terms
and we can move to a new service if we don't like. )
No corporate entity can choose to turn it off. We "own" it.
All of the above can implement a common way to let members of the community
login across all of them with one login/password using OpenID.
NING HAS NOT PLANS to Implement OpenID - (or any of the other standards)
http://developer.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1185512%3ATopic%3A11361
I have been talking about this for well over a year but apparently there is
no movement by the Open Space institute by the actually developing the
community tools in community.
Kaliya * <identitywoman@gmail.com>
To: OSLIST <OSLIST@listserv.boisestate.edu>
Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:10 PM
Lisa just pinged me about this e-mail on the list and asked I respond.
I don't have time until next week to surface and comment fully. I on the 4th
day of 12 days in a row of "traditional" conferences that I attending as a
participant speaker.
At the core of a comment I made in response to a request for a donation to
the OSI USA.
I would like to see the core community site have:
* a mainstream wiki that has broad access rights. (this is an editable
website) yes there is currently a wiki - and no it is not a current
mainstream wiki platform (there for has a non-normal syntax) and it has
restricted access rights.
* an aggregation of blogs and another one for microblogging for
practitioners that pulls in the feeds from all the things that
practitioners publish in these formats aggregated (via RSS) into one space
(example from my technical community is Planet Identity
(http://www.planetidentity.org <http://www.planetidentity.org/> )
* admin access rights and responsibility held by several people (not just
one person who if hit by a truck basically limits capacity of the whole
community to function).
-Kaliya
TECHNOLOGY strategy for this community should be done in an open transparent
way.
It should use "the best of" open source (this is very different then "free
tools" that are closed source and corporate owned with "them untimately in
control) and focus on using open standards where possible.
It should be developed in a way that includes the wisdom of those of us with
tech backgrounds and done in a way that explains our decisions to smart
people who are "not techies" so they understand the decisions/strategies and
agree they are in alignment with the community values and vision.
global proceedings aggregator?
_____
Michael Herman <michael@michaelherman.com>
Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Reply-To: OSLIST <OSLIST@listserv.boisestate.edu>
To: OSLIST@listserv.boisestate.edu
here's a new one, i think. for the techies among us.
how would you capture proceedings if you were to have, say, dozens, or
even hundreds of events convened simultaneously and you wanted
everybody everywhere to be able to post their proceedings into one
central place. everybody except spammers, of course. videos can be
posted to youtube and tagged. photos to flickr. but what about the
text proceedings? and there is also the issue of a directory of event
locations. hoping this wouldn't require a dedicated
application/platform. here are some ideas.
-listserve like yahoo or google group - non-public is a downside
-facebook group - non-public is downside here too
-wiki - might be too complex for rapid scale-up
-blog - might be coolest, but might require moderation
-twitter - might there be a way to collect only the issues raised
everywhere? tagged by location, perhaps? could happen more places
cuz could send from cellphones?
-blog - could make a post or page for every event reported and then
let them post comments.
-just get everyone to start their own simple, free blog and use a blog
aggregator... might miss a lot of sites.
-google docs?
-blog with a single "guest/contributor" username and password,
publicly posted, with user only allowed to post reports, tagging for
author and location within the post?
...this last option might be best, but then we get to the question of
what if it all really works and folks wanted to post some stream of
ongoing results and actions. could happen. so the system might want
to support that.
anything else you can think of out there in social networking space
that could support such a thing?
i think i like the twitter option, but have no idea if it can be made
to function in this way. could all of this be aimed at a single
twitter name, or just tagged with a single twitter tag? and somehow
captured in a way taht was searchable and scrollable long after the
first events occured?
then there's the scenario where somehow we get to hack up a new
version of the world map <grin>.
so that's as far as i can guess, and maybe even a little past that.
thoughts?
many thanks,
m
I read now that someone wrote in this thread "that NING does all this" I
should have brought forward these concerns then and perhaps get movement
going in an open direction. I am sorry i didn't track that thread. When I
popped up and made the preceding comment I prefaced it saying I was in the
middle of conference season.
You are all in luck. I just "finished" my unconference season and have time
to actually give to the communities I love and care about.
I appreciate the care and attention that Artur Silva (Portugal), Shufang
Tsai (Taiwan) and Lisa Heft (USA) have put forward to do this.
I get that it was a utilitarian choice and was not informed by deeper issues
and values choices that are being made by using closed source, proprietary
and non-open standards based tools. It was only done in love with the best
intentions. I feel I have to speak up because I am technologically literate
particularly in this area about openness and standards - it is where my core
open space facilitation work is - with communities developing an open layer
of the web that is social and community driven.
I hope that I can work with others in the community who want to make the
most open choices possible and a collaborative on a future looking
online/tech strategy for the community.
Regards,
-Kaliya
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Lisa Heft <lisaheft@openingspace.net>
wrote:
Artur Silva (Portugal), Shufang Tsai (Taiwan) and Lisa Heft (USA)
welcome you to join us at the:
Open Space World Community Ning site
A gathering place for sharing, learning, resources and community.
-- create and host or join a regional group in your own language
-- see the photos of members - including your wonderful OSLIST colleagues
-- post links to photos, videos, tweets or blogs
-- create calendar listings for your events
-- post and share resources
-- create or join a theme-based group about whatever you would like!
-- engage in live chat.
This co-created Ning web portal for all things Open Space is a compliment to
the rich and welcoming dialogue of OSLIST and all our web-based resources
such as openspaceworld.org
It is free.
Come and co-create.
The seedling has sprouted - let us grow this lovely learning tree.
Jump right on - sign in - create your own page and begin.
(It is new...in its Beta stage...we are still trying out design and
functions...come visit us there, enjoy using it, share any ideas for
improvement you may recommend...there is even a 'Caring for this Online
Community' Group you can join...and if anything does not work smoothly we
will all learn and share how to fix it...)
Do join us in this nutritious and diverse community meeting place.
<http://openspaceworld.ning.com/> http://openspaceworld.ning.com
We will continue our rich and vibrant dialogues here on OSLIST, and we will
see you also in the Open Space World Community Ning site...
Artur, Shufang and Lisa
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>Managing
Director<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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alt=3D"LEADERSHIP INC
Facilitating Organizational =
Change
in Greater China"></span></a><span
style=3D'font-family:SimSun;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style=3D'text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span
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Tel:
86-755-82111366<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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86-13068445641<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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HK:
852-65280641<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mjpixley<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kaliya *<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSLIST] Come join us at Open Space Technology World
Community Ning site!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>While appreciate the =
invitation
to this space. <br>
<br>
I really object to bringing the community to private service. The =
company
NING is just like facebook or myspace it is managed and controlled =
ultimately
by a corporation. <br>
<br>
It is closed source (the code that is used underlying the site is owned =
and not
viewable by us).<br>
<br>
The data of our use and the people on it - it is not clear about =
where
it goes. <br>
<br>
The community life all the information is "stuck" in the =
system - it
is not using open standards - so that at some point we wanted to leave =
NING we
could.<br>
<br>
Ning does not have open standards avaliable for the activities on the =
site and
HAS NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY of the conversations around developing or =
adopting
those under development for social activities on the web. <br>
<br>
There is NO Reason to do this. <br>
<br>
I think it would be much more responsible to get a REAL COMMUNITY =
LIFE
AROUND <br>
<br>
1) A WIKI that is build on an open source "mainstream" wiki. =
<br>
2) A BLOG with community members contributing to and with different =
members
free to start their own blogs<br>
3) A robust commenting system<br>
4) A twitter strategy for lists and community connections in that =
medium. <br>
<br>
ALL of the above can be built on open source tools <br>
On servers that we manage and control. ( Or in the cloud but on our =
terms and
we can move to a new service if we don't like. )<br>
<br>
No corporate entity can choose to turn it off. We "own" =
it. <br>
<br>
All of the above can implement a common way to let members of the =
community
login across all of them with one login/password using OpenID. <br>
<br>
NING HAS NOT PLANS to Implement OpenID - (or any of the other =
standards)<br>
<a =
href=3D"http://developer.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=3D1185512%3ATopic%3=
A11361">http://developer.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=3D1185512%3ATopic%3=
A11361</a><br>
<br>
<br>
I have been talking about this for well over a year but apparently there =
is no
movement by the Open Space institute by the actually developing the =
community
tools in community. <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Kaliya * =
<<a
=
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</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>To: OSLIST =
<<a
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Lisa just =
pinged me about
this e-mail on the list and asked I respond. </span><br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I don't have time until next week =
to surface
and comment fully. I on the 4th day of 12 days in a row of
"traditional" conferences that I attending as a =
participant
speaker. </span><br>
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>At the core of a comment I made in =
response
to a request for a donation to the OSI USA. </span><br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I would like to see the core =
community site
have:</span><br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>* a mainstream wiki that has broad =
access
rights. (this is an editable website) yes there is currently a =
wiki -
and no it is not a current mainstream wiki platform (there for has a
non-normal syntax) and it has restricted access rights. </span><br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>* an aggregation of blogs and =
another one
for microblogging for practitioners that pulls in the feeds =
from all
the things that practitioners publish in these formats aggregated =
(via RSS)
into one space (example from my technical community is Planet =
Identity (<a
href=3D"http://www.planetidentity.org/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.planetidentity.org</a>)</span><br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>* admin access rights and =
responsibility
held by several people (not just one person who if hit by a truck =
basically
limits capacity of the whole community to function). =
</span><br>
<br>
<span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:#888888'>-Kaliya</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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TECHNOLOGY strategy for this community should be done in an open =
transparent
way. <br>
<br>
It should use "the best of" open source (this is very =
different then
"free tools" that are closed source and corporate owned with
"them untimately in control) and focus on using open =
standards where
possible. <br>
<br>
It should be developed in a way that includes the wisdom of those of us =
with
tech backgrounds and done in a way that explains our decisions to smart =
people
who are "not techies" so they understand the =
decisions/strategies and
agree they are in alignment with the community values and vision. <br>
<br>
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt'>global proceedings =
aggregator?</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Michael =
Herman <<a
=
href=3D"mailto:michael@michaelherman.com">michael@michaelherman.com</a>&g=
t; </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:54 PM =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Reply-To: OSLIST =
<<a
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.edu</a>>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>To: <a
=
href=3D"mailto:OSLIST@listserv.boisestate.edu">OSLIST@listserv.boisestate=
.edu</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>here's a new =
one, i think.
for the techies among us.<br>
<br>
how would you capture proceedings if you were to have, say, dozens, =
or<br>
even hundreds of events convened simultaneously and you wanted<br>
everybody everywhere to be able to post their proceedings into one<br>
central place. everybody except spammers, of course. =
videos can
be<br>
posted to youtube and tagged. photos to flickr. but what =
about
the<br>
text proceedings? and there is also the issue of a directory of =
event<br>
locations. hoping this wouldn't require a dedicated<br>
application/platform. here are some ideas.<br>
<br>
-listserve like yahoo or google group - non-public is a downside<br>
-facebook group - non-public is downside here too<br>
-wiki - might be too complex for rapid scale-up<br>
-blog - might be coolest, but might require moderation<br>
-twitter - might there be a way to collect only the issues raised<br>
everywhere? tagged by location, perhaps? could happen more =
places<br>
cuz could send from cellphones?<br>
-blog - could make a post or page for every event reported and =
then<br>
let them post comments.<br>
-just get everyone to start their own simple, free blog and use a =
blog<br>
aggregator... might miss a lot of sites.<br>
-google docs?<br>
-blog with a single "guest/contributor" username and =
password,<br>
publicly posted, with user only allowed to post reports, tagging =
for<br>
author and location within the post?<br>
<br>
...this last option might be best, but then we get to the question =
of<br>
what if it all really works and folks wanted to post some stream =
of<br>
ongoing results and actions. could happen. so the system =
might
want<br>
to support that.<br>
<br>
anything else you can think of out there in social networking =
space<br>
that could support such a thing?<br>
<br>
i think i like the twitter option, but have no idea if it can be =
made<br>
to function in this way. could all of this be aimed at a =
single<br>
twitter name, or just tagged with a single twitter tag? and =
somehow<br>
captured in a way taht was searchable and scrollable long after =
the<br>
first events occured?<br>
then there's the scenario where somehow we get to hack up a new<br>
version of the world map <grin>.<br>
so that's as far as i can guess, and maybe even a little past that.
thoughts?<br>
many thanks,<br>
<br>
m</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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I read now that someone wrote in this thread "that NING does all
this" I should have brought forward these concerns then and =
perhaps
get movement going in an open direction. I am sorry i didn't track that
thread. When I popped up and made the preceding comment I prefaced =
it
saying I was in the middle of conference season.<br>
<br>
You are all in luck. I just "finished" my unconference season =
and
have time to actually give to the communities I love and care about. =
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I =
appreciate
the care and attention that <span style=3D'color:black'>Artur Silva =
(Portugal),
Shufang Tsai (Taiwan) and Lisa Heft (USA) have put forward to do this. =
<br>
<br>
I get that it was a utilitarian choice and was not informed by deeper =
issues
and values choices that are being made by using closed source, =
proprietary and
non-open standards based tools. It was only done in love with the =
best
intentions. I feel I have to speak up because I am technologically =
literate
particularly in this area about openness and standards - it is where my =
core
open space facilitation work is - with communities developing an open =
layer of
the web that is social and community driven. <br>
<br>
I hope that I can work with others in the community who want to make the =
most
open choices possible and a collaborative on a future looking =
online/tech
strategy for the community. <br>
</span></span><br>
Regards, <br>
-Kaliya<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Lisa Heft <<a
href=3D"mailto:lisaheft@openingspace.net">lisaheft@openingspace.net</a>&g=
t;
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#8406FF'>Open Space World Community Ning site</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#007E80'>A gathering place for sharing, learning, resources and
community.</span></b><span =
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color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
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style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
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would
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is a
compliment to the rich and welcoming dialogue of OSLIST and all our =
web-based
resources such as <a href=3D"http://openspaceworld.org" =
target=3D"_blank">openspaceworld.org</a>
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color:#007E80'>It is free.</span></b><span =
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color:#007E80'>Come and co-create.</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>The seedling has sprouted - let us grow this lovely =
learning tree.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>(<i>It is new...in its Beta stage...we are still =
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ideas for
improvement you may recommend...there is even a 'Caring for this Online
Community' Group you can join...and if anything does not work smoothly =
we will
all learn and share how to fix it..</i>.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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meeting
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MS","sans-serif";
color:#1700FF'>.</span><span =
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color:black'><a href=3D"http://openspaceworld.ning.com/" =
target=3D"_blank"><b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#8406FF'>http://openspaceworld.ning.com</=
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OSLIST,
and we will see you also in the Open Space World Community Ning =
site...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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