Late to the grid talk...<div><br></div><div>By default I don't use a grid. What I like about the gridless setup is that it gives the control freaks something to do. It's hard enough being in the chaos of space opening - many type A personalities feel helpless. When the come to the wall, it has often been my experience that they take charge and organize things by time, sometimes lining up the posters very nicely. As a ritual it seems to calm them down and ground them and it gives the message that this is truly a day owned by the group.</div>
<div><br></div><div>And more often than not, folks just get along fine with the collage.</div><div><br></div><div>But there is another way I have done things, especially when the start and finish times are likely to shift (in indigenous communities things can start a lot later than is scheduled.) Instead of writing times and spaces on dozens of post it notes, I just write the spaces and I place them on a big poster that says the times. If the times change, it's easy to just make a new poster and cluster the little post-it notes around it. If you colour code the writing on the poster with the colour of the post it notes, it makes it kinesthetically easier to see the pattern. </div>
<div><br></div><div>(I almost always use coloured post-it notes by the way, one colour for each time slot).</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Chris<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Peggy Holman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:peggy@opencirclecompany.com">peggy@opencirclecompany.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">To grid or not to grid...<div><br></div><div>For me, it depends. Two circumstances lead me to offer more order.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Size. As the size of the group increases, there are more sessions to track. With a larger group, I post times along the top of the agenda wall. Like Lisa, I often use different colors for different times. When I did the OS for 2,100 street kids in Bogota, we set up a grid; each time had its own wall and we put the room numbers across the rows:</div>
<div><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/78084501@N00/79452637/in/set-1700469/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/78084501@N00/79452637/in/set-1700469/</a></div><div><br></div><div>It just seemed the best way to support the crowd in finding sessions of interest.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Culture. The other circumstance in which I've used a grid is when the culture of the group seems to call for it. As Kaliya noted, engineers seem more productive with a grid. I think it is for them, one less thing.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Speaking of culture, one of the most telling images for me is the OS of 2108 that Harrison and Michael did in Wurtzberg and the 2,100 street kids. As people waited to announce their sessions in Germany, they were in a neat line. The street kids looked like a mob around Andres, who held the mic. In both cases, it was orderly but the image was sure different!</div>
<div><br></div><div>Wurzberg: <a href="http://www.transformation.at//?art_id=46" target="_blank">http://www.transformation.at//?art_id=46</a></div><div>(pages 39-41)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Colombia:</div>
<div><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/78084501@N00/79454421/in/set-1700469/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/78084501@N00/79454421/in/set-1700469/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Peggy</div><div><br></div><div>
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</span><br> </div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div><div>On Aug 7, 2009, at 6:00 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Arial;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div lang="EN-US" link="#000000" vlink="#000000">
<div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Artur – we will be looking forward to your return! And an odd thought passed through my muddled mind. It occurred to me, I think because you mentioned being an engineer that it might somehow appear that “getting organized” and “being organized” are somehow anathema to Open Space. It might even seem that I have implied as much – if so that would be a massive mistake on my part. The issue is not “organization” – but who does it and when does it happen? The truth of the matter is that every Open Space is highly organized, usually more so than any facilitator or planning committee could ever imagine.</span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Consider 2108 German psychiatrists X 236 concurrent sessions in an 8 hour period. That would take a planning committee years! And they would never get it right -- things would always be late, and great frustration would be a predictable outcome. In the instance, the people did it all themselves in something less than an hour and it all worked out perfectly including written reports for all or most of the sessions. Now Mr Engineer, Can you beat that? Just kidding<span> </span></span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Wingdings"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy">J</span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"></span></font></div>
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</span></font></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma"><span> </span>OSLIST<span> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]<span> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of<span> </span></span></b>Artur Silva<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b><span> </span>Friday, August 07, 2009 6:57 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b><span> </span><a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b><span> </span>Re: Why is a grid sometimes useful?</span></font></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
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<div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Being out of my office with bad internet contact and short of time, I only red some of this rich exchange.</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">I must say, like Bernd, that, probably because of my education as an engineer, I never thought about doing it without a grid. And living in a Chatolic country, even with a grid, most managers think that OST is too much for them...</span></font></div>
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Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Why is a grid sometimes useful?<br>To:<span> </span><a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:17 AM</span></font></p>
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