<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">To grid or not to grid...<div><br></div><div>For me, it depends. Two circumstances lead me to offer more order.</div><div><br></div><div>Size. As the size of the group increases, there are more sessions to track. With a larger group, I post times along the top of the agenda wall. Like Lisa, I often use different colors for different times. When I did the OS for 2,100 street kids in Bogota, we set up a grid; each time had its own wall and we put the room numbers across the rows:</div><div><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/78084501@N00/79452637/in/set-1700469/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/78084501@N00/79452637/in/set-1700469/</a></div><div><br></div><div>It just seemed the best way to support the crowd in finding sessions of interest.</div><div><br></div><div>Culture. The other circumstance in which I've used a grid is when the culture of the group seems to call for it. As Kaliya noted, engineers seem more productive with a grid. I think it is for them, one less thing.</div><div><br></div><div>Speaking of culture, one of the most telling images for me is the OS of 2108 that Harrison and Michael did in Wurtzberg and the 2,100 street kids. As people waited to announce their sessions in Germany, they were in a neat line. The street kids looked like a mob around Andres, who held the mic. In both cases, it was orderly but the image was sure different!</div><div><br></div><div>Wurzberg: <a href="http://www.transformation.at//?art_id=46">http://www.transformation.at//?art_id=46</a></div><div>(pages 39-41)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Colombia:</div><div><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/78084501@N00/79454421/in/set-1700469/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/78084501@N00/79454421/in/set-1700469/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Peggy</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; 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color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="#000000" vlink="#000000"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="Street"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="address"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Artur – we will be looking forward to your return! And an odd thought passed through my muddled mind. It occurred to me, I think because you mentioned being an engineer that it might somehow appear that “getting organized” and “being organized” are somehow anathema to Open Space. It might even seem that I have implied as much – if so that would be a massive mistake on my part. The issue is not “organization” – but who does it and when does it happen? The truth of the matter is that every Open Space is highly organized, usually more so than any facilitator or planning committee could ever imagine.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Consider 2108 German psychiatrists X 236 concurrent sessions in an 8 hour period. That would take a planning committee years! And they would never get it right -- things would always be late, and great frustration would be a predictable outcome. In the instance, the people did it all themselves in something less than an hour and it all worked out perfectly including written reports for all or most of the sessions. Now Mr Engineer, Can you beat that? Just kidding<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Wingdings"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: navy; ">J</span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">For me the real issue is efficiency and effectiveness – which are presumably positive values that all engineers will ascribe to. In that case the only question is how do you get there fastest and bestest? The curious answer would seem to be Do Less!<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Harrison<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; 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"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; "> </span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<st1:personname w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Artur Silva<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, August 07, 2009 6:57 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Why is a grid sometimes useful?</span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-top: 0in; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Being out of my office with bad internet contact and short of time, I only red some of this rich exchange.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">I must say, like Bernd, that, probably because of my education as an engineer, I never thought about doing it without a grid. And living in a Chatolic country, even with a grid, most managers think that OST is too much for them...<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">But then some coments from Harrison and Lisa make me think...<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">I will continue to think, and after the 18th, with better conexion, I will coment something.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">But don´t ask me what ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Regards from the countryside somewhere in the north of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Portugal</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Artur<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">-----------<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">--- On<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Thu, 8/6/09, Harrison Owen<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i><span style="font-style: italic; "><<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>></span></i></span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><blockquote style="border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); border-left-width: 1pt; padding-top: 0in; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 3pt; margin-left: 2.5pt; margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br>From: Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [<st1:personname w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname>] Why is a grid sometimes useful?<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:17 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div id="yiv1570280065"><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Lesley, I think you got it! (“</span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">It is my sense of things that the more we order….the more we take away from the process……..however this can be very uncomfortable for us(facilitator”). It is all about organizing a self organizing system. Not only is that an oxymoron, but also of questionable intelligence – regardless of the alleged increase of comfort.</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><st1:place w:st="on"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Harrison</span></font></st1:place><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "></span></font><o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br>* * ==========================================================<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu">oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>:<a href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>FAQs:<a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div>* * ==========================================================<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu">oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>*
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