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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Artur – we will be looking forward
to your return! And an odd thought passed through my muddled mind. It occurred to
me, I think because you mentioned being an engineer that it might somehow
appear that “getting organized” and “being organized” are
somehow anathema to Open Space. It might even seem that I have implied as much –
if so that would be a massive mistake on my part. The issue is not “organization”
– but who does it and when does it happen? The truth of the matter is
that every Open Space is highly organized, usually more so than any facilitator
or planning committee could ever imagine. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Consider 2108 German psychiatrists X 236 concurrent
sessions in an 8 hour period. That would take a planning committee years! And
they would never get it right -- things would always be late, and great frustration
would be a predictable outcome. In the instance, the people did it all
themselves in something less than an hour and it all worked out perfectly
including written reports for all or most of the sessions. Now Mr Engineer, Can
you beat that? Just kidding </span></font><font size=2 color=navy
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>For me the real issue is efficiency and
effectiveness – which are presumably positive values that all engineers
will ascribe to. In that case the only question is how do you get there fastest
and bestest? The curious answer would seem to be Do Less!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 color=navy
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w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Artur Silva<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, August 07, 2009 6:57
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Why is a grid
sometimes useful?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Being out of my office with bad internet contact and
short of time, I only red some of this rich exchange.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I must say, like Bernd, that, probably because of my
education as an engineer, I never thought about doing it without a grid. And
living in a Chatolic country, even with a grid, most managers think that OST
is too much for them... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>But then some coments from Harrison and Lisa make me
think...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I will continue to think, and after the 18th, with
better conexion, I will coment something.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>But donīt ask me what ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Regards from the countryside somewhere in the north
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Artur<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Thu,
8/6/09, Harrison Owen <i><span style='font-style:italic'><hhowen@verizon.net></span></i></span></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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From: Harrison Owen <hhowen@verizon.net><br>
Subject: Re: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>] Why is a
grid sometimes useful?<br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:17 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Lesley, I think you got it! (“</span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>It is my sense of things that the more we order….the
more we take away from the process……..however this can be very
uncomfortable for us(facilitator”). It is all about organizing a self
organizing system. Not only is that an oxymoron, but also of questionable
intelligence – regardless of the alleged increase of comfort.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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