The gem for me was this: <font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">The issue is not “organization”
– but who does it and when does it happen? <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I get it...I hope, I think. </span></span></font>It means then that the ownership is where it should be: with the group from A to Z and they lead the dance of chaos and organization. <br>
<br>Thank you for this topic on the grid which already has caused me grief and self-doubt when I facilitated. What I learn from this is that it won't matter exactly how I do the grid as long as I am mindful about what my true role is as a facilitator: to assist in the convening, to open the space, hold the space, (be invisible) and then close the space. It's so hard to trust the process sometimes when you're still internalizing it yourself, feeling the angst in a room and honoring what is. <br>
<br>Suzanne<br><br>Suzanne Daigle <br><a href="http://www.nufocusgroup.com">www.nufocusgroup.com</a><br><a href="mailto:s.daigle@nufocusgroup.com">s.daigle@nufocusgroup.com</a><br> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Harrison Owen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Artur – we will be looking forward
to your return! And an odd thought passed through my muddled mind. It occurred to
me, I think because you mentioned being an engineer that it might somehow
appear that “getting organized” and “being organized” are
somehow anathema to Open Space. It might even seem that I have implied as much –
if so that would be a massive mistake on my part. The issue is not “organization”
– but who does it and when does it happen? The truth of the matter is
that every Open Space is highly organized, usually more so than any facilitator
or planning committee could ever imagine. </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Consider 2108 German psychiatrists X 236 concurrent
sessions in an 8 hour period. That would take a planning committee years! And
they would never get it right -- things would always be late, and great frustration
would be a predictable outcome. In the instance, the people did it all
themselves in something less than an hour and it all worked out perfectly
including written reports for all or most of the sessions. Now Mr Engineer, Can
you beat that? Just kidding </span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Wingdings"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: navy;">J</span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">For me the real issue is efficiency and
effectiveness – which are presumably positive values that all engineers
will ascribe to. In that case the only question is how do you get there fastest
and bestest? The curious answer would seem to be Do Less!</span></font></p><div class="im">
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Artur Silva<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, August 07, 2009 6:57
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Being out of my office with bad internet contact and
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I must say, like Bernd, that, probably because of my
education as an engineer, I never thought about doing it without a grid. And
living in a Chatolic country, even with a grid, most managers think that OST
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">But then some coments from Harrison and Lisa make me
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I will continue to think, and after the 18th, with
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">But don´t ask me what ;-)</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">--- On <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Thu,
8/6/09, Harrison Owen <i><span style="font-style: italic;"><<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>></span></i></span></b>
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From: Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Why is a
grid sometimes useful?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:17 AM</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Lesley, I think you got it! (“</span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">It is my sense of things that the more we order….the
more we take away from the process……..however this can be very
uncomfortable for us(facilitator”). It is all about organizing a self
organizing system. Not only is that an oxymoron, but also of questionable
intelligence – regardless of the alleged increase of comfort.</span></font></p>
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