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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is my sense of things that the more we
order….the more we take away from the process……..however this
can be very uncomfortable for us(facilitator”). It is all about
organizing a self organizing system. Not only is that an oxymoron, but also of
questionable intelligence – regardless of the alleged increase of
comfort.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lesley Symons -
Coach-Facilitator<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 06, 2009
7:57 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Why is a grid
sometimes useful?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-AU
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-AU
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Having only done <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>one event (</span></b>very recently<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>)</span></b> and that was for 40 people I do not have
the wealth of experience to share as some have here. However my experience of
‘the grid’ was as so………..</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-AU
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I did not do a grid as
such- I put stickers with approx times. I however did explain in the opening
that the times were only a starter and that the group was free to do with this
what they wanted. I did give the approx total amount of ‘time’ they
had ….and then left it up to them</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-AU
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The wall became an
instant ‘mess’ which stayed like that for most of the first day and
became totally ordered the next day……… it reflected how this
organisation approaches and works together</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-AU
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Something that the group
self reflected on………….</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-AU
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is my sense of things
that the more we order….the more we take away from the
process……..however this can be very uncomfortable for
us(facilitator).</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-AU
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-AU
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I remember clearly the
feeling I had when I first saw ‘the mess’ !! :)</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Harrison Owen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 5 August 2009
4:06 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Why is a grid
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>I knew we would lure Michael Pannwitz into this conversation </span></font><font
face=Wingdings><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>J</span></font> Indeed it is
an old and rich conversation. And somewhere in there should be told (retold)
the tale of the 2108 German Psychiatrists. Michael alludes to it, but the real
fun (for me) happened when the group totally blew away our (Michael’s and
mine) projections for number of issues. We had guessed 150 and felt that was
probably large, and therefore safe. How wrong we were. If I read Michael
correctly, we finally ended up with 253 issues. Needless to say our plans and
expectations were stretched. But everything worked just marvelously.<span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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10.0pt'> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>But the underlying issue for me here is not about orderly process and
methodology but rather the essential conditions for really juicy and creative
engagements – which in my experience are always messy. When you actually
know what you are doing, you can afford to put things in pre-defined boxes.
They won’t always fit, and indeed usually don’t – but it at
least seems like everything is in order. On the other hand, when you are out on
the edges of things – that predetermined order simply goes to hell. And I
think that is a very good thing! The trick is to fabricate a container that is
so flexible that it can deal with just about anything. I think we have learned
to do a pretty good job of that – but it is not about grids or no grids.
The real secret, as I think about it, is that the group becomes its own
container and we are the encouragers. Or something</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael
M Pannwitz<br>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM<br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
Subject: Re: Why is a grid sometimes useful?</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Dear Fabian,</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>a "grid" is always useful.</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Regardless of how the bulletin board is set up (an empty wall, a highly
</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>structured grid with spaces measured out so an issue poster will neatly
</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>fit into it, etc.)a "grid" will emerge, more or less
selforganized.</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>There may be no bulletin board in the traditional sense in situations </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>where people cannot read or write (John Engle has reported on this), </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>issue bearers stand at a wall announcing their issue and people will </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>then join them if thats their thing, too.</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Ok, is that a grid?</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>When you have 2000+ people and 3 beginning times and 253 issues come up
</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>some folks find it easier to have about a third (appr. 80) posted for </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>each of the three beginning times...others surf, others dont care about
</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>the issues but look around for "attractive" groups.</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>So, pretty regardless of the griddiness of a bulletin board people will
</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>do what they think is meaningful and productive for them.</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>In the evolution of my own practice (I can nicely see it in the photos </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>that were taken at many events) I started out with a highly structured
grid</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>1. there were rectangular spaces (just big enough for each issue
poster) </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>created with masking tape and the times given with starting time and </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>ending time of the session and little rolls of masking tape placed into
</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>the rectangular spaces so you could walk up and stick your poster into </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>the neat rectangular</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>2. the rectangular spaces disappeared, just the times were given, </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>seperated with vertical strips of masking tape</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>3. postits (a separate color for each time with the room symbol and the
</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>starting time written on them) were introduced</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>4. as "walls" were frequently displaced by pinwalls, there
was a </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>separate pinwall or two pinwalls for each time</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>5. only beginning times for sessions were supplied (after all, the </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>groups took as little or as much time as needed)</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>6. double sized postits color coordinated with the postits people were </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>asked to stick onto their issue posters were used as the only </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>orientation on the bulletin board or at each pinwall</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Now, all the steps of reducing, expanding, using different types of </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Bulletin Boards etc. did, as far as I could tell, not substantially </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>influence the unfolding of selforganisation in events I have been part </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>of. And from what I have read in the other posts, the way Bulletin </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Boards and grids are being used is also a question of personal style, </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>approach.</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>The main thing is that participant selforganize their own agenda, </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>whatever it looks like, its their agenda, their structure, their grid, </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>their order, their chaos.</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>To this, I give a lot of attention:</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>-I never interfere in the way people work with the bulletin board,
grid, </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>market phase (usually, for training purposes, I have one or even two of
</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>my team stand near the bulletin board and never ever do anything)</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>-I never suggest which issues might be relevant or not</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>-I never bunch issues</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>-I leave at the beginning of the market phase</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>-I dont stay in the circle when people start announcing their issues, </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>imagining that the space expands better if I am not there with my 100kg
</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>cluttering the circle(only exception: very large groups, time </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>restraints...but I am not sure there either...only time I was involved </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>with a group larger than 500, ho and I were the microphone keepers in </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>the circle, all the other groups, even those with 500, managed very
well </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>on their own).</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Have a great summer and for those of you in parts of our planet where </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>there is spring, fall or winter, enjoy!</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Greetings from <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State></span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>mmp</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Erik Fabian wrote:</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Hello,</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> I have been thinking about the bulletin board and the debate that</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> happened a while back on this list about whether a totally free</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> collage of session postings is somehow better than OS style events
</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> that use a grid layout that notes time/locations.</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> I agree that the complete free flowing collage approach has an</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> elegant appeal but I have been asking myself a different</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> question...why do some OS style events even use a grid?</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> I wonder how did the use of the grid evolve at these events? What
is</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> their value?</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> I can only speculate on how these event evolved into using a grid
(or</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> if that is how they started out perhaps) but I have realize one</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> advantage...they allow new participants to easily to join in with
an</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> event that is already in progress.</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> When someone shows up late to a public event and encounters a
messy</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> session board it is hard, without further explanation, for them to</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> understand what is going on, where it is happening, if it is</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> happening, and if so when.</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> The original OS literature I have read usually emphasizes that</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> participants are present start to finish. There are many obvious</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> benefits to this but the relevant one here is that everyone is </span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> present during the original board making. They have some sense of
how</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> it evolved into whatever mess that it becomes and how it changes
as</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> people go about the experience.</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> It makes sense if the original OS literature isn't accounting late</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> arrivals that it doesn't need something like a grid to help late</span></font><span
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> arrivals get oriented quickly.</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Thoughts?</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Cheerio, Erik</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Michael M Pannwitz, boscop eg</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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10.0pt'>Draisweg 1, 12209 <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Berlin</st1:City>,
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 443 resident Open</span></font><span
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Space Workers in 72 countries working in a total of 141 countries
worldwide</span></font><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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