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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Well Jack – No rules, near as I can
tell, but it is always good to talk about effectiveness and workability. And
in the case of grids I have always found them not all that effective and
marginally workable. Your point about the BarCamps makes the case I think. (“At
the BarCamp I was part of, it never occurred to the organisers that they could
add another column to the grid and thereby accommodate another bunch of
sessions.”) Lack of real open space --! Not lack of orthodoxy, just
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>1) Why have a "rule" about this? Different events call for
different mechanics.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2) From what I've seen, BarCamps have a grid and no Post-its.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>At the BarCamp I was part of, it never occurred to the organisers that
they could add another column to the grid and thereby accommodate another bunch
of sessions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2009/8/4 Larry Peterson <<a href="mailto:larry@spiritedorg.com">larry@spiritedorg.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The only "grid" I use is the one I put the post-its on.
I prefer the free<br>
form posting of topics on the wall, and maybe some splitting of Day 1 and<br>
Day 2. For me, the chaos at the wall is intentional and if its not there,<br>
then the benefits of being at the "edge of chaos" are not achieved.
People<br>
have to use their intuition as well as logic when deciding what topic to<br>
pursue. It is clearly not a traditional agenda.<br>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Subject: Re: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>] Why is a grid sometimes useful?<br>
<br>
Erik<br>
<br>
I have mostly created grids using making tape which certainly looks more<br>
like a 'standard' agenda - rows for time slots and columns for places. That<br>
is their main value I think...<br>
<br>
However I have experienced several difficulties:<br>
<br>
1) Merging and combining discussions becomes a bit constrained<br>
2) You need a big wall - which is often not available<br>
3) I was always left wondering why we had the post-it notes and the<br>
scheduled box on the grid - as they duplicated each other - in effect.<br>
4) If a balloon popped (or escaped - see by blog for a pic!<br>
<a href="http://jonharveyassociates.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://jonharveyassociates.blogspot.com/</a>
) all the sheets for that session<br>
had to be moved.<br>
<br>
So now I favour the freeform - but slightly organised - approach. I choose X<br>
wall spaces (where X is the number of time slots) and ask people to post<br>
their discussions there - attaching the appropriate sticky note (11.00ish<br>
and balloon G). People can consult the wall space at any time and see laid<br>
out, the various sessions that are happening at that time. This can apply to<br>
new people also - if they helped, as need be, to understand what it all<br>
means - which takes 10 seconds in my experience. Merging discussions is also<br>
far easier with this method. It also does not give any spurious 'order' to<br>
the ideas - because they are arranged higgledy-piggledy.<br>
<br>
For finding the discussions - I usually opt for large letter shaped balloons<br>
suspended 2m from the floor. If you are sponsoring session D - you go and<br>
get the D balloon and a flip chart and see who turns up. (see<br>
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target="_blank">http://www.classiccelebrations.com/images/categories/alphabetletteraballooni<br>
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Hope this helps...<br>
<br>
Very best wishes<br>
<br>
Jon<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Subject: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>] Why is a
grid sometimes useful?<br>
<br>
Hello,<br>
<br>
I have been thinking about the bulletin board and the debate that happened a<br>
while back on this<br>
list about whether a totally free collage of session postings is somehow<br>
better than OS style events<br>
that use a grid layout that notes time/locations.<br>
<br>
I agree that the complete free flowing collage approach has an elegant<br>
appeal but I have been<br>
asking myself a different question...why do some OS style events even use a<br>
grid?<br>
<br>
I wonder how did the use of the grid evolve at these events? What is their<br>
value?<br>
<br>
I can only speculate on how these event evolved into using a grid (or if<br>
that is how they started out<br>
perhaps) but I have realize one advantage...they allow new participants to<br>
easily to join in with an<br>
event that is already in progress.<br>
<br>
When someone shows up late to a public event and encounters a messy session<br>
board it is hard,<br>
without further explanation, for them to understand what is going on, where<br>
it is happening, if it<br>
is happening, and if so when.<br>
<br>
The original OS literature I have read usually emphasizes that participants<br>
are present start to<br>
finish. There are many obvious benefits to this but the relevant one here is<br>
that everyone is<br>
present during the original board making. They have some sense of how it<br>
evolved into whatever<br>
mess that it becomes and how it changes as people go about the experience.<br>
<br>
It makes sense if the original OS literature isn't accounting late arrivals<br>
that it doesn't need<br>
something like a grid to help late arrivals get oriented quickly.<br>
<br>
Thoughts?<br>
<br>
Cheerio,<br>
Erik<br>
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