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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What
great thoughts and feelings. Thank you all.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Speaking
of sustainable outcomes, it just occurred to me that we did an OS event at our
own company, <a href="http://www.wohngeist.ch/">www.wohngeist.ch</a>, in 2007
(Pia and Peter Glanzmann were our facilitators then), for a day, exploring the
future of WohnGeist, 45 people representing our whole system (from clients to
suppliers, of course with all our employees). Are we important? If yes, where are
we going, where will we be in 2020? The most important result was that we
started looking for a bigger place to work in (instead of 3 small workshops
with lots of coordination required). In the end of 2008, we came across an old
window factory, a 13 minutes train ride from where we are now, which we could
buy, because we had the courage of offering our 1500 clients and relatives a
sustainable investment (shares and loans). We got a million Swiss Francs!!! So
now we are in the middle of planning all the projects needed to move. We held
another OS event (this time facilitated by myself) of half a day on may 5<sup>th</sup>
2009 in the new location, with all our employees, some share holders and
friends, 30 people, to get started with the necessary work. One result was that
all our employees started to get the feeling of the new place and really got
involved. However, they complained that half a day was not enough, there were too
many interesting topics at the same time! Another result is that our employees are
thinking for the whole more and more, which I find fantastic. My husband, the
founder of our company, is starting to trust the process more and more, and
finally begins to let go of some of his former tasks, which others can do just
as well as himself.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mind
you, all this happened without our planning anything to foster sustainable
outcomes. So it might well be time to withdraw my original question… </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
line-height:115%;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:
115%;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Suzanne Daigle
[mailto:sdaigle4@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 1. Juli 2009
12:55<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: AW: How can we foster
sustainable outcomes?</span></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
line-height:115%'>(warning very long...)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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As I follow and reflect on the discussion about visual protocol and offering
visual results from an Open Space experience and then think about how we
connect benefits of self-organizing to a client’s desired outcome, so
many questions surface for me. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
line-height:115%'>How can we honor a client’s desired outcome which
assumes predictability and control when Open Space invites something quite
different? With my limited experience with Open Space (I’ve only
done two as an unpaid volunteer) and a long corporate career, my gut tells me
that the Open Space way of lighting up passion and responsibility in
individuals and collectives will lead to results that far exceed what a client
could initially expect. I know because all my life, I’ve seen how
much gets accomplished when people are passionate about what they do. Open
Space is all about that. Many clients want a clear-cut route to improved
results, better service, higher quality, etc. This we cannot promise.
Rather, OS is a journey, a new way of doing which means undoing what
didn’t work, and seeing what we don’t’ want to see to create
what we can’t know. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
line-height:115%'>How can we effectively convey to a client the importance of
gut feel and intuition, inviting them to an experience that they must
“feel” and not just “think”? The dilemma is that you
cannot know Open Space until you’ve done Open Space and not just
once. How can you describe what get’s ignited in people when they
get to choose (Law of Two Feet), feel Equal and live/work according to
principles (4 OS principles) – something that makes so much sense but
that is so different than what our current hierarchical world dictates? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
line-height:115%'>Once people are activated in an Open Space way, I think it
ignites a longing that is in each of us and the difficulty is that you just
don’t want to go back to the old way. How then do we blend traditional and
self-organizing? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
line-height:115%'>I struggle with these questions and as I embark on this wild
ride of OS, I imagine myself building trust at the beginning of my relationship
with clients talking about the issues that they care about and that they know:
their business. Hopefully by connecting and being honest, I will
establish enough trust so that they will want to try this new way, knowing deep
inside them that the old ways aren’t working any more. It’s
about finding the courage of our voice and actions, doing this together in a
supportive way.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
line-height:115%'>Knowing that we cannot immediately and fully internalize all
that OS represents, I then struggle with how we can optimize and capture what
Open Space does inside you. What I did with incredible help from Michele
Young, who assisted me on the two Open Spaces that I facilitated, was create a
visual show that not only tried to capture in its authenticity what happened
there but also tried to convey the spirit of the invitation and preparation and
the OS concepts and themes of this new way of being so that people through
pictures can remember what it “felt” like to be part of this.
I questioned myself in doing so wondering if this went against the principles
of self-organizing, equality, and the self-effacing role of a facilitator. Then
I told myself: heck…I’m doing it anyway as a gift. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
line-height:115%'> </span></font><font size=2 color="#fa0000"
face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:
"Comic Sans MS";color:#FA0000'>IONS Conference Open Space in Tucson<br>
</span></font><u><font size=2 color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:blue'><a
href="http://www.authorstream.com/Presentation/daigle_Suzanne-208049-ions-away-presentation-open-space-spiritual-inspirational-ppt-powerpoint/">http://www.authorstream.com/Presentation/daigle_Suzanne-208049-ions-away-presentation-open-space-spiritual-inspirational-ppt-powerpoint/</a></span></font></u><font
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normal'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman"'>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Harrison Owen
<<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
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From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Michael M Pannwitz<br>
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:46 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Liebe Catherine,</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>ich hab zu Deiner Frage schon mal in dieser Liste
auf Englisch </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>geschrieben, aber hier kommts nochmal auf deutsch (ich
fänds super, </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>wenns auch noch jemand, der es auf französisch und
italienisch und </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Latein probiert, aufschreibt, damit es sich in der
ganzen Schweiz </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>verbreiten kann):</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Mich</span></font></st1:place></st1:State><span
lang=EN-US> interessieren Nachhaltigkeit oder nachhaltige Ergebnisse in meiner <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Rolle als Begleiter überhaupt nicht.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Wenn der Veranstalter allerdings sowas will, nehm
ich ihm ja auch in </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>keiner Weise krumm, dann sage ich ihm, was er tun
kann, damit die </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Wahrscheinlichkeit von nachhaltiger Umsetzung von
Verabredungen zu </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Vorhaben steigt und welcher Aufwand von
Veranstaltern dazu mit ziemlich </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>gutem Erfolg dafür betrieben worden ist.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Gleich zu Anfang möchte ich Dir aber verraten, dass
die Form der </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Dokumentation dabei eine eher untergeordnete Rolle
spielt (hierzu hatte </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>ich auch auf die Berichte von John Engle verwiesen
aus Situationen, in </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>denen es kein Papier, keine Stifte gibt und in denen
viele der </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Teilnehmenden auch nicht lesen oder schreiben
können).</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Also hier meine Hinweise an den Veranstalter:</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>1. Ein Vorbereitungstreffen mit einer Gruppe, die in
etwa die erwartete </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Teilnehmerschaft abbildet, also das ganze System,
wie es sich zu diesem </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Zeitpunkt für ihn darstellt, zusammenbringen. Sie /
er gehört dazu. </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Optimal ist, wenn diese Gruppe authorisiert ist mit
ihr / ihm gemeinsame </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>alles zu entscheiden: Thema, Einzuladende,
Einladung, Organisation, etc.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Ich biete ihm die Begleitung des in der Regel
3,5stündigen Treffens an.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>2. Eine Einladung, in der nicht nur zu der
Veranstaltung eingeladen </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>wird, sondern auch schon zu dem 8 bis 12 Wochen
später stattfindendem </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>"Nächsten Treffen", bei dem die Vorhaben,
die in der Handlungsplanung am </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Ende der OST Veranstaltung verabredet wurden,
angeschaut werden...wo </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>sind wir jetzt?, gibts neue Vorhaben?, wie gehts weiter?...plus
mögliche </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>weitere "Nächste Treffen".</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>3. Ein Verfahren, in dem so gut wie es irgendwie
möglich ist </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>sichergestellt wird, dass all diejenigen auf jeweils
spezifische Art und </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Weise vom Veranstalter und Mitgliedern der
Vorbereitungsgruppe </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>eingeladen werden, die dafür notwendig erscheinen,
die Erwartungen unter </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>der gewählten Überschrift auch tatsächlich
einzulösen.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>4. Eine dreitägige Veranstaltung, also 16 Stunden
auf drei Tage verteilt </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>(Nachmittag, ganzer Tag, Vor-oder Nachmittag),
zweimal schlafen, mit </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>einer Handlungsplanung am letzten Tag.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>5. Eine Dokuwand mit allen aus den Anliegengruppen
entstehenden </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Ergebnissen, die nochmal von allen gegen Ende des 2.
Tages gemeinsame </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>zur Kenntnis genommen wird mit der Möglichkeit, dann
noch zu jedem </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Ergebnisblatt auf einem Ergänzungsblatt weitere
Fragen, Hinweise, etc. </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>festzuhalten.(Diese gesammelten Werke können
entweder als Papierdoku in </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>der Nacht vom 2. auf den 3. Tag hergestellt werden
und den Teilnehmenden </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>am dritten Tag morgens gegeben werden oder als
pdf/eDoku nach der </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Veranstaltung auf einer www erscheinen, zu der die
Teilnehmenden Zugang </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>haben).</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>6. Eine Kontaktliste der Teilnehmenden mit von den
TeilnehmerInnen </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>überprüften Kontaktdaten für alle Teilnehmenden, die
das wollen, am Ende </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>der Veranstaltung an alle Teilnehmenden für die
Kommunikation nach der </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Tagung verteilen (die Kontaktliste wurde im Laufe
der Veranstaltung von </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>den Teilnehmenden selber erstellt).</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>7. Kopien der Verabredungen, die in der
Handlungsplanung zu den Vorhaben </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>entstanden sind, an alle Teilnehmenden innert einer
Woche nach der </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Veranstaltung verschicken samt Einladung zu dem
bereits bekannten </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>"Nächsten Treffen".</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>8. Deutliche Hinweise darauf, das alles von den
Teilnehmenden so weit es </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>irgend möglich ist, selbst getan wird (ihre
Anliegengruppen selbständig </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>organisieren,Dokublätter anfertigen,Kontaktliste
erstellen...)</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Für Veranstalter, die Nachhaltigkeit wollen, ist das
alles sehr einfach, </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>einleuchtend, notwendig.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Für Veranstalter, die das nicht (wirklich) wollen,
ist das alles eine </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>eher unüberwindbare Barriere.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>So, das ist das, was ich mache und ich möchte nicht,
dass es als Rezept </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>verstanden wird. Wenn jemand es so ausprobiert,
würde es <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">mich</st1:place></st1:State>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>überraschen, wenn es nicht klappt....</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Herzlich Grüße aus <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>mmp</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Catherine Pfaehler wrote:</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Dear Reinhard</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> As you describe it in depth, it becomes more
understandable and really</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> sounds wonderful. </span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> What about writing a book on methods and hints
for visual protocols? I</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> especially like your idea of the participants
doing the visual protocols</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> themselves. Some might even discover they have
a talent they weren't aware</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> of!</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> And my original question remains open - what do
others do to foster</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> sustainable outcomes?</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Heartfully, C.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Catherine Pfaehler Senn</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> lic.oec.HSG</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Open Space Begleitung</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> St. Alban-Vorstadt 15</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> CH - 4052 <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Basel</st1:place></st1:City></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> +41-(0)76 - 488 15 46</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a
href="mailto:c.pfaehler@open-space-begleitung.ch" target="_blank">c.pfaehler@open-space-begleitung.ch</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.open-space-begleitung.ch"
target="_blank">www.open-space-begleitung.ch</a></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Von: Reinhard Kuchenmueller [mailto:<a
href="mailto:mail@visuelle-protokolle.de" target="_blank">mail@visuelle-protokolle.de</a>]
</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Gesendet: Samstag, 27. Juni 2009 07:01</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> An: <a href="mailto:c.pfaehler@bluewin.ch"
target="_blank">c.pfaehler@bluewin.ch</a>; <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Betreff: AW: How can we foster sustainable
outcomes?</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Dear Catherine,</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> it seems t get a dialogue between you and me -
and Harrison defending his</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> turf - while all the others are busy discussing
Paris Stammtisch and some</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> problems of dogma and exegesis in the holy
principles.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> My focus lies on the os meeting. My
heart belongs to the paricipating</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> people, my head to the client behind
everything. In a meeting of lets say</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> 200 participants everybody can choose between
lets say ten group themes in</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> every time slot. If it goes for two days, with
five time slots, that makes</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> 50 groups of which the everage participant
chooses five groups. All the</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> other groups, their themes, their surprising
developments, their exitement,</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> their outcome, does not exist for him. All the
groups make some protocols,</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> but in the worst possible way, in handwriting,
and some typed short version.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Our everage participant does rarely read the
outcomes of other groups. The</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> facilitator made himself invisible and is of
little help. So his horizon is</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> built from 10 percent of the whole meeting. He
goes home with a beautiful</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> experience of team building and self
organisation, and some memeory of 10</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> percent of the meeting. The client goes home
with some written excerpts, and</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> if he is lucky he will be confronted with some
ideas afterwards, of people</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> who want to ontinue their threads. Who is
helping him to build the bridge</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> between his basic theme, his exspectations, and
the outcome? The</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> facilitator? By which means?</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> I would wish all the os people could take part
just once in a visualized os</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> event. Some witnesses, fair minded, impartial,
are moving from group to</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> group, gathering process, results and
atmosphere on small picture cards.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Nobody is noticing them. They put these picture
cards into a big picture</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> wall, all the time, so that everybody who
passes can get all the procedures</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> in some seconds time. And in the evening all
the picture cards, digitalized</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> in the meantime, are shown to the plenum as a
slide show with some music,</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> for about 10 minutes The participants not only
increase the memory of their</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> own group from 20 to 60 percent, as scientists
can proove, but at the same</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> time they get an overview about the whole big
theme in all its complexity.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> As if they can suddenly see the whole tree, of
which they were busy handling</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> some branches so far. I experienced a deep
satisfaction among the</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> participants every time we did that work. Of
course all that is against the</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> old os dogma, but that does not bother the
people at all.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> And the client? He gets a detailled insight
into all the groups. The little</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> images can be used in many ways to foster
sustainable outcomes, as you say.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> They can be clustered, regrouped, with
atonishing results, showing what</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> people really said and mean.They can be used as
material to work with in</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> smaller groups who continue with some items,
they can be put into the</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> intranet, printed as leaflets, little books,
calendars, posters, hang in the</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> corridors ... As means to take the
results really seriously.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> AND NOW THE BIG QUESTION: is that worth the
extra costs of extra people, who</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> visualize the event? Some clients say yes, it
is. It makes the difference</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> between a beautiful experience of self
orgsnization and the welding of a</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> tool for the organization.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> I myself would not propose to visualize every
os meeting by external</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> visualizers. I would like very much to
experiment with internal</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> visualization. We developed different ways of
visualizing by participants.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Once we made 800 union people in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">vienna</st1:place></st1:City> draw in little
groups, 72 images,</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> with an amazing result.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> I can imagine, that in every os group two or
three people start to doodle,</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> to draw what they experience, on little cards.
A bit like world cafe (I</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> propose to the world cafe people to use little
cards as well). And then like</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> said before, the cards can be hung into the
picture wall, group by geoup,</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> and shown in the evening as slide show. I would
very much like to develop</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> this method and to make it available to the
whole os community.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> mit freundlichen Grüßen</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> best regards</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Reinhard Kuchenmüller</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> tel. +39-0566 88929</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.visuelle-protokolle.de"
target="_blank">www.visuelle-protokolle.de</a></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> ________________________________________</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Von: Catherine Pfaehler [<a
href="mailto:c.pfaehler@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">c.pfaehler@bluewin.ch</a>]</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2009 17:15</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> An: Reinhard Kuchenmueller</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Cc: '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>'</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Betreff: How can we foster sustainable
outcomes?</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Dear Reinhard</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> You have a very interesting point there. I have
often wondered how the</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> sustainable implementation of visible results
can be fostered "better" by</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> me, as in the post-OS-meeting, I often find my
clients to focus on different</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> things than what I would have expected.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Then, again, on the other side, I am well aware
that a most important side</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> result of an OS event is always teambuilding,
communication and a stronger</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> commitment to their organisation by many
participants. And if I succeed in</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> allowing the client to really be responsible
for what happens with the</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> results, then I need to let go after having
asked the evaluation questions</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> and some others like "Does anything need a
vessel for coordination now?" and</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> "What has been developing since the OS
event?".</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Other opinions??</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Heartfully, C.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Catherine Pfaehler Senn</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> lic.oec.HSG</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Open Space Begleitung</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> St. Alban-Vorstadt 15</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> CH - 4052 <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Basel</st1:place></st1:City></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> +41-(0)76 - 488 15 46</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a
href="mailto:c.pfaehler@open-space-begleitung.ch" target="_blank">c.pfaehler@open-space-begleitung.ch</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.open-space-begleitung.ch"
target="_blank">www.open-space-begleitung.ch</a></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Von: Reinhard Kuchenmueller [mailto:<a
href="mailto:mail@visuelle-protokolle.de" target="_blank">mail@visuelle-protokolle.de</a>]</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Gesendet: Montag, 22. Juni 2009 19:12</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Betreff: AW: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>]
Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> my two cents:</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> a principle is defined as a law superordinated
to every other law.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Condition: A certain effect can always be
retraced to the same constellation</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> of facts. (wikipedia).</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> In this sense <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>'s
principles are definitively no principles at all.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> But he was really clever: two martinis and four
mundane sentences - and the</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> whole world is repeating them like a mantra.
Mantras, as the east knows</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> since thousands of years, don't have to have a
meaning, the essence lies</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> behind them. It only gets painful, if you start
to worship the mantras</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> instead of the essence.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Why is open space so effective? Certainly not
because of the mantras. As I</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> see it, we have to dig deeper:</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> I could think of principles like:</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> People are basically interested - to
engage themselves</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>>
- to take responsibility</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>>
- to interlink themselves</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> That happens as soon as one stops to treat
people like obstinate mules.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> And there exist conditions, which foster that,
which support this so called</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> self organisation.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Certainly open space technology, as it is
practised worldwide, is an</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> excellent condition for self organisation.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> And your 'foundations' define it well.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Rather often a client spends money for an open
space event, and for the</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> facilitator who proposes open space as a tool
for the clients' purposes.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> This aspect seems to be underestimated in the
debate.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> In my view the facilitator is responsible to
link the proposed and choosen</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> form of the event, in our case open space, with
the system and the purpose</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> of the client. What the client pays for is not
the self organisation of his</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> people, that is only a beautiful side effect,
and a bridge to engage people</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> in the affairs of the client - and more often
simultaneously in their own</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> working conditions.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> I cannot understand the disinterest of many
open space facilitators towards</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> the outcome and its linkage with the system of
the client.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> That, in my eyes, is also the reason for the
disinterest towards optimal</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> forms of recording the outcome - and as a
visual facilitator I of course</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> propagate a visual form of protocol.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> The discussions in the os list are mainly
conducted with the back to the</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> clients, and that is a pity.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> mit freundlichen Grüßen</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> best regards</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Reinhard Kuchenmüller</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> tel. +39-0566 88929</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.visuelle-protokolle.de"
target="_blank">www.visuelle-protokolle.de</a></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> ________________________________________</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Von: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
[<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
im Auftrag von Artur Silva</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> [<a href="mailto:arturfsilva@YAHOO.COM"
target="_blank">arturfsilva@YAHOO.COM</a>]</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Juni 2009 18:25</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> An: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Betreff: Re: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>]
Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Larry:</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> I am sorry but only today I had the time to
answer you.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> We certainly need foundations or principles to
Open Space.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> But I prefer the word "foundations"
instead of "principles" because, due to</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> the man of the hat, this word is connected
forever (only) with "the 4</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> principles". And I think that that there are
other principles (foundations)</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> as important as, or even more important than,
the 4 so called principles.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Indeed I think (sorry <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>)
that the expression "The 4 principles" was</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> badly chosen.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Because it they are "what always
happens" they are not principles at all.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> And because we think that we must state the
principles in the beginning of</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> every session (I myself to that the majority o
the times - but not always")</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> and I am more and more convinced that they are
useless. You can state them</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> or nor, and the same things will occur. They
are probably "one less thing to</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> do/state".</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> But there are other principles or foundations
that are essential, in the</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> sense that if they are not present different
things will happen.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> In the discussion I opened in our wiki some
years ago I proposed the</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> following:</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> 3. I would suggest, as HO wrote in the old
User’s Guide, that OST begins</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> with:</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> * A THEME that is compelling
enough, but also general and open enough to</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> let people dream about and</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> * A GROUP OF COMMITED PEOPLE
(reason for the presences to be almost</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> always voluntary)</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> * Enough DIVERSITY in the
group</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> 4. To those foundations one can add others that
are generally accepted by</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> all practitioners:</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> * The CIRCLE (even if, in
some cases, some argue that a "virtual circle"</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> will do)</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> * The Bulletin Board</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> * The Market Place</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> * The "law of two
feet" (one of the most, if not the most important</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> feature, from where butterflies and bumblebees
"germinate" and many</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> conflicts "evaporate")</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> * The "four
principles" (as I have promised ;-)</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> (<a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST"
target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST</a>)</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> If I were to rewrite this today, I would surely
suppress the last line. But</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> all the other "foundations"
(including the law of two feet) are essential.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> If you suppress one of them you will have a
meeting; but not, IMHO, an OST</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> meeting. But we may not talk at all about the
"4 principles" and everything</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> will happen as usual.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Best regrsds to all</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Artur</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Larry Peterson <<a
href="mailto:larry@spiritedorg.com" target="_blank">larry@spiritedorg.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> From: Larry Peterson <<a
href="mailto:larry@spiritedorg.com" target="_blank">larry@spiritedorg.com</a>></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Subject: Re: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>]
Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 5:22 PM</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Maybe a “foundation” is another
word for how I often describe the</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> “principles”. I encourage
people, when I open a space, to make some</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> assumptions about the gathering to assume what
are stated as principles and</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> to act on that basis during the event. I
think these only become “assumed”</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> after some evolution of consciousness and I
don’t experience most folks in</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> organizations being there. I think it is
important to articulate them, to</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> influence the “social construction”
of the boundaries of the OST event along</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> with the most important part – the focus
question or theme. Yep, it may be</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> a bit of ritualized behaviour but I think it
helps increase the</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> possibilities what will emerge in the
self-organizing process that will</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> happen anyway. Besides, I (we as
facilitators) are one of the “selves” in</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> the self-organization.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Larry</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Larry Peterson & Associates in
Transformation</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Toronto</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">Ontario</st1:State>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region></st1:place></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:larry@spiritedorg.com"
target="_blank">larry@spiritedorg.com</a><<a
href="http://us.mc546.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@spi" target="_blank">http://us.mc546.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@spi</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://ritedorg.com" target="_blank">ritedorg.com</a>>
416.653.4829</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.spiritedorg.com"
target="_blank">http://www.spiritedorg.com</a><<a
href="http://www.spiritedorg.com/" target="_blank">http://www.spiritedorg.com/</a>></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Artur</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Silva</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Sent: May-27-09 5:54 PM</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Subject: Re: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>]
Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Harrison, Larry and all:</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> I am afraid that I continue to read only the
messages from this list from</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> time to time...</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Today, I read this answer from <st1:place
w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place> to a reply from Larry to an original</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> comment by <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>.
The 3 messages referred are listed below, and I ask you</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> to first read the parts of those messages that
I have transformed in bold.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> (...) Thanks for having done that ;-)</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Now, I am happy that <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>
agrees that "the 4 principles and one law are</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> neither laws nor principles actually" and
that there will come a day when</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> The Law and The Principles can be assigned to
that wonderful status of “One</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> more thing not to do.”</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> But Larry commented, very wisely as usual,
about the importance of some form</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> of “boundaries” or
“container” for self-organization.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> So, maybe it is the appropriate time to
reintroduce a discussion that I have</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> tried to introduce many moons ago, about what
are the foundations of OST.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> I mean,</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> 1) if the principles are not
"principles" after all, but only what always</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> happens, and eventually even "one more
thing not to do" (and I remember you</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> that I have done some OST experiments without
reference to the Principles -</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> and all went well as usual), but</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> 2) Some form of boundary or container is needed</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> where this boundary or container does comes
from?</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> I have proposed to call that the "foundations"
(not principles) of OST and</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> proposed some ideas (that are only preliminary
ideas) I would like to read</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> (again) your opinions about.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> You can found my (preliminary) proposals, of
some time ago, here</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST"
target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> and here</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Looking forward to hear from you all</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Warn regards from a warm night in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Lisbon</st1:place></st1:City></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Artur</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> ------</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Harrison Owen <<a
href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> From: Harrison Owen <<a
href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Subject: Re: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>]
Anti Laws of OST</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:23 AM</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Right on Larry – and I found a very
curious and embarrassing typo in my</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> small piece. I said, “They (the
Principles and the Law) are descriptive as</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> opposed to descriptive.” I meant to
say,”They are descriptive as opposed to</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> prescriptive.” Point is neither the Law
nor the Principles tell you what to</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> do – they simply alert everybody to what
will be taking place no matter</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> what. I think that is a useful function, but it
really doesn’t change a</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> thing. In short – there will come a day
when The Law and The Principles can</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> be assigned to that wonderful status of
“One more thing not to do.”</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Harrison Owen</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> -----Original Message-----</span></font><span
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Larry</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Peterson</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:44 AM</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> For me, there is more sense in the
“Principles and Law” than non-sense.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Stewart Kauffman explores the importance of
some form of “boundaries” or</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> “container” for self-organization,
particularly that of cells. He believes</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> (with strong scientific evidence) that real
physical work only gets done</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> within some “boundaries” or it
dissipates. Cells, he asserts, co-create</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> their “boundaries” with their
environment through self-organizing</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> relationships in every moment. The
boundaries are permeable, constructs,</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> open to interchange with their environment. (No
such thing as a closed</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> system!)</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>, I
believe you have articulated a set of socially constructed</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> permeable “boundaries” for
enhancing human self-organization – including the</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> focus/theme, principles and law. These
set a temporary set of “boundaries”</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> or a “container” both focused and
open that change the perceived conditions</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> for self-organization at an event or
meeting. Self-organization is</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> happening all the time, in every moment.
Our mental maps (in practice) and</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> feelings shape what we do as we self-organize
– what topics we propose and</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> who we connect to. Are they necessary for
self-organization (Open Space) –</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> no, it is happening all the time as order
emerges. Do they (or other</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> similar statements about the social framework
for our self-organizing) help</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> people to self-organize in exciting and
creative ways? I think so.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Larry</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Larry Peterson & Associates in
Transformation</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Toronto</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">Ontario</st1:State>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region></st1:place></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:larry@spiritedorg.com"
target="_blank">larry@spiritedorg.com</a><<a
href="http://us.mc546.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@spi" target="_blank">http://us.mc546.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@spi</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://ritedorg.com" target="_blank">ritedorg.com</a>>
416.653.4829</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.spiritedorg.com"
target="_blank">http://www.spiritedorg.com</a><<a
href="http://www.spiritedorg.com/" target="_blank">http://www.spiritedorg.com/</a>></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Harrison</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Owen</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Sent: May-25-09 2:59 PM</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Subject: Re: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>]
Anti Laws of OST</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Just to render the whole thing non-sensical,
the 4 principles and one law</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> are neither laws nor principles actually. To be
honest they are just my (and</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> others’) observations of what seemed to
be happening in any case. In a word</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive
– You could say it is all a</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> joke. Rather like “technology” in
the phrase Open Space Technology. The</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> joke, however turned out to be outrageously
funny – because somehow or</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> another truth broke through. We are in serious
trouble! Everybody knows that</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> what happens in Open Space simply can’t
happen. Unfortunately it does – and</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other
stuff – like most of what we</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> think we know about meetings, the management of
meetings, and management</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> itself. Double trouble!!</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Harrison Owen</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">7808
River Falls Drive</st1:address></st1:Street></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Potomac</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">Maryland</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">20854</st1:PostalCode></st1:place></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Phone 301-365-2093</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Skype hhowen</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Open Space Training <a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.com</a><<a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.com/</a>></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Open Space Institute <a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.org</a><<a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/</a>></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> Personal website <a
href="http://www.ho-image.com" target="_blank">www.ho-image.com</a><<a
href="http://www.ho-image.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ho-image.com/</a>></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a
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To learn about</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> OpenSpaceEmailLists and <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
FAQs: <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> * *
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lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu"
target="_blank">oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>:</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a
href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html" target="_blank">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a>
To learn about</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> OpenSpaceEmailLists and <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
FAQs: <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> *</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> *</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> -----------------------------</span></font><span
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lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a
href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html" target="_blank">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> FAQs:</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist"
target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> *</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> *</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>>
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lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> ------------------------------</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>> view the archives of <a
href="mailto:oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu" target="_blank">oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>:</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a
href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html" target="_blank">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> FAQs:</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist"
target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'>-- </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Michael M Pannwitz, boscop eg</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Draisweg 1, 12209 <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Berlin</st1:City>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Germany</st1:country-region></st1:place></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>++49-30-772 8000</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org" target="_blank">mmpanne@boscop.org</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="http://www.boscop.org" target="_blank">www.boscop.org</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing
447 resident Open </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Space Workers in 71 countries working in a total of
140 countries worldwide</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Have a look:</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="http://www.openspaceworldmap.org"
target="_blank">www.openspaceworldmap.org</a></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
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font-family:"Courier New"'>*</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>OSLIST</span></font></st1:PersonName><span
lang=EN-US>@<a href="http://LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'><a
href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html" target="_blank">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> FAQs:</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist"
target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a></span></font><span
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To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
FAQs: <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a>
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