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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">Harrison
– Thinking out loud and talking out loud, I wonder how I could even have asked
myself this question about blending traditional and self-organizing.<span style=""> </span>In other words, do I want someone blending or
dictating to me how I will choose, change and live?<span style=""> </span>Heck no.<span style="">
</span>There comes a point where I need to trust my sixth sense (which should
actually be my first sense), dump the fear, forget about the judgment or
sanction of others, leave the edge of the shore and just go with the flow.<span style=""> </span>I can’t dictate this choice for others. I can
only do this for myself, live it and feel it.<span style="">
</span>In Open Space, it’s the stuff you probably call “intention” Harrison. <span style=""> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">When
I live the euphoria of my decision and courage, whether the pain or joy of it,
whether the one step forward or two steps back, I do feel alive and that
magical feeling is something that leads me to invite others because it is not a
journey I want to take alone. No fun in that! And the bliss of it all, there’s
lot of people out there doing the same thing, asking the questions, taking baby
steps and big steps, going beyond small talk to big talk, feeling vulnerable,stupid
and smart all at the same time. <span style="">Of course, I'd probably never feel the bliss of this if I hadn't been such a conformist all my life. This bird is ready to venture farther from her cage and I'll just have to trust my self-organizing instincts. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">Now
to Larry’s question from his motel in Kansas: “How can we foster sustainable
incomes?” When people feel and see value, money usually follows. It’s the
law of abundance rather than scarcity. I think we are now in a world where
people are ready to pay money to those who, as Larry says, are intentionally
creating the conditions for a shift in consciousness—this moment NOW of genuine
paradigm shift. We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. And it just can’t be
done half way with a foot in the traditional and the self-organizing. It
neither of those; it’s whatever it will be. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">Will
it pay my bills tomorrow?<span style=""> </span>Will I be good
enough and intentional enough?<span style=""> </span>I can’t
predict that. I can only trust the universe as I have done all my life without
realizing it.<span style=""> </span>Heck at 55, all in all I’ve
managed just fine. All I have to do now is continue to let loose my “best self”
whatever that is. <span style=""> </span><span style=""> </span>Enough thinking and talking out loud lest I
make a total fool of myself! </span></p>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Harrison Owen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Suzanne – Previously you asked an
interesting question, “How then do we blend traditional and
self-organizing?” It occurs to me that there are several answers which
may appear antithetical, but probably both are true. The first is that there is
no need to blend – that has already occurred. This would acknowledge what
I believe to be true -- that everything is self organizing. However the
traditional organization fails to recognize that and proceeds to the oxymoronic
condition of organizing a self organizing system. This never works very well and
produces system mal-function and sub-optimization. In a word it is pretty
clunky. The school principal in Michael’s story is a good illustration of
that. He was in charge, ran everything, traditional structure – and spent
all of his time putting out fires instead of doing the stuff he really needed
and wanted to do. Doesn’t that sound pretty much like a lot of
organizations you know? Frustrated, exhausted people! This is called a positive
working environment!!</span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">So then they do this Open Space, and “strange
things happened.” (“…he had really ample time to pay
attention to long range planning and conception, stuff he always wanted to have
time for...”) You might think it was the Magic of Open Space but the
elixir comes from a deeper spring. You guessed it! Self-Organization! The
miracle occurred when the organization simply did what it already was! I don’t
think this is really complicated. In Open Space we don’t do something new
and different – we simply do what we were intended to do in the first
place! And guess what – Things work a lot better. And as long as we
continue to be true to ourselves, they continue to work better – even for
8 years! Of course we can always go back to be as miserable as we used to be
simply by organizing everything. Somewhere along the line some scrooge says –
We have to get control! You know the rest.</span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">The second answer to your question is that
-- You can’t blend the traditional with self-organizing! It is pretty
much like oil and water. And when you try you are likely to end up with a big
mess which is what always happens when you attempt to organize a self-organizing
system.</span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I think we are at an incredible moment –
a moment of genuine paradigm shift. We understand we are in a mess. We are
beginning to understand why that is so and what we might do about it. The
moment is also terribly uncomfortable which is what always happens at such
moments. In effect we take two steps forward and one step back – ending up
at cross purposes with ourselves. We have seen the possibilities – which is
one of the gifts of Open Space. We then seek to SUSTAIN those possibilities in
the traditional fashion – attempting to create new “ideal
organizations,” enhanced methods of facilitation, better means for
recording discussions, and the like. I don’t think any of those things
are bad – but in all honesty I find them trivial when compared to the challenge
of the moment. Most of all I just don’t think they have a prayer of
getting us where we want to and need to go. </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">The marvelous thing is that we don’t
need to go anywhere. We are already there – we only have to acknowledge our
true selves and be true to that self. <b><i><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">And how do we do that?</span></i></b> </span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Jumping into that is a conversation I would
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</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: AW: How can we foster
sustainable outcomes?</div></div></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Michael, the excited lady
hugging you and filled with gratitude and the principal with furrowed brow
saying something strange is happening...he has much more time than he used to
have people would come much less frequently to talk about stuff with him but obviously
were out there leading projects, and, for the first time he had really ample
time to pay attention to long range planning and conception, stuff he always
wanted to have time for...all because of an OPEN SPACE event 8 years ago.
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What you described there in such a vivid way, I feel it in my bones. Not
only do I know this to be true, I see possibility for it everywhere. If only we
could trust ourselves and others to go all the way with this simple process.
What a gift! As a Canadian living in Florida,
I was touched by your comment that the pictures looked like "home" to
you in Berlin.
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ich danke Ihnen von ganzem Herzen .... Suzanne</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Michael M Pannwitz <<a href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org" target="_blank">mmpanne@boscop.org</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Dear Susanne,<br>
just returned from an afternoon reception at the headquarters of the Berlin protestant
welfare organisation in honor of a couple of people who received rewards for
their lifelong passion for social issues...its the kind of gathering where you
are bound to see people you havent for years or even decades...so I always go!<br>
Shortly after I arrived a lady rushed up to me, calling out my name, hugging
me...I had no clue...and then excitedly told me about an event at a local
highschool in 2001 that she attended as a parent...and how it changed her
life...and the life in the school...and how amazing it is in which way the
spirit (yes, she spoke of the spirit) of that event 8 years ago is alive and
does its thing in the school even today.<br>
She did not talk about any specific project...but I remembered that 8 weeks
after the event they had a "Next Meeting" to look at their projects.
And they had two more in the year following the event...at the last one I
attended the principle came up to me, furrowed brow, saying, well, something
strange is happening, he has much more time than he used to have, people would
come much less frequently to talk about stuff with him but obviously were out
there leading projects, and, for the first time he had really ample time to pay
attention to long range planning and conception, stuff he always wanted to have
time for...<br>
Ok, part of the story I knew already, the part with the spirit jumped at me
today...it will become part of the kind of story that I tell clients when they
ask me about sustainable effects/outcome...and I can give them the name of the
school and the principal because the school and the principal are in the local
news and papers all the time...<br>
Aside from all the organisational stuff I tell the sponsor when sustainability
is desired.<br>
I enjoyed myself with your message and especially touched myself with the
pictures...all looked like "home", it is immediately identifiable as
open space.<br>
Greetings from Berlin<br>
mmp<br>
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Suzanne Daigle wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">(warning very long...)<br>
<br>
As I follow and reflect on the discussion about visual protocol and offering<br>
visual results from an Open Space experience and then think about how we<br>
connect benefits of self-organizing to a client’s desired outcome, so
many<br>
questions surface for me.<br>
<br>
How can we honor a client’s desired outcome which assumes predictability
and<br>
control when Open Space invites something quite different? With my
limited<br>
experience with Open Space (I’ve only done two as an unpaid volunteer)
and a<br>
long corporate career, my gut tells me that the Open Space way of lighting<br>
up passion and responsibility in individuals and collectives will lead to<br>
results that far exceed what a client could initially expect. I know<br>
because all my life, I’ve seen how much gets accomplished when people are<br>
passionate about what they do. Open Space is all about that. Many clients<br>
want a clear-cut route to improved results, better service, higher quality,<br>
etc. This we cannot promise. Rather, OS is a journey, a new way of
doing<br>
which means undoing what didn’t work, and seeing what we
don’t’ want to see<br>
to create what we can’t know.<br>
<br>
How can we effectively convey to a client the importance of gut feel and<br>
intuition, inviting them to an experience that they must “feel” and
not just<br>
“think”? The dilemma is that you cannot know Open Space until
you’ve done<br>
Open Space and not just once. How can you describe what get’s
ignited in<br>
people when they get to choose (Law of Two Feet), feel Equal and live/work<br>
according to principles (4 OS principles) – something that makes so much<br>
sense but that is so different than what our current hierarchical world<br>
dictates?<br>
<br>
Once people are activated in an Open Space way, I think it ignites a longing<br>
that is in each of us and the difficulty is that you just don’t want to go<br>
back to the old way. How then do we blend traditional and self-organizing?<br>
<br>
I struggle with these questions and as I embark on this wild ride of OS, I<br>
imagine myself building trust at the beginning of my relationship with<br>
clients talking about the issues that they care about and that they know:<br>
their business. Hopefully by connecting and being honest, I will
establish<br>
enough trust so that they will want to try this new way, knowing deep inside<br>
them that the old ways aren’t working any more. It’s about finding
the<br>
courage of our voice and actions, doing this together in a supportive way.<br>
<br>
Knowing that we cannot immediately and fully internalize all that OS<br>
represents, I then struggle with how we can optimize and capture what Open<br>
Space does inside you. What I did with incredible help from Michele
Young,<br>
who assisted me on the two Open Spaces that I facilitated, was create a<br>
visual show that not only tried to capture in its authenticity what happened<br>
there but also tried to convey the spirit of the invitation and preparation<br>
and the OS concepts and themes of this new way of being so that people<br>
through pictures can remember what it “felt” like to be part of
this. I<br>
questioned myself in doing so wondering if this went against the principles<br>
of self-organizing, equality, and the self-effacing role of a facilitator.<br>
Then I told myself: heck…I’m doing it anyway as a gift.<br>
<br>
IONS Conference Open Space in Tucson<br>
*<br>
<a href="http://www.authorstream.com/Presentation/daigle_Suzanne-208049-ions-away-presentation-open-space-spiritual-inspirational-ppt-powerpoint/" target="_blank">http://www.authorstream.com/Presentation/daigle_Suzanne-208049-ions-away-presentation-open-space-spiritual-inspirational-ppt-powerpoint/</a><br>
*<br>
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>>
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Liebe Catherine,<br>
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ich hab zu Deiner Frage schon mal in dieser Liste auf Englisch<br>
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geschrieben, aber hier kommts nochmal auf deutsch (ich fänds super,<br>
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<br>
Mich
interessieren Nachhaltigkeit oder nachhaltige Ergebnisse in meiner<br>
<br>
Rolle als Begleiter überhaupt nicht.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Wenn der Veranstalter allerdings sowas will, nehm ich ihm ja auch in<br>
<br>
keiner Weise krumm, dann sage ich ihm, was er tun kann, damit die<br>
<br>
Wahrscheinlichkeit von nachhaltiger Umsetzung von Verabredungen zu<br>
<br>
Vorhaben steigt und welcher Aufwand von Veranstaltern dazu mit ziemlich<br>
<br>
gutem Erfolg dafür betrieben worden ist.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Gleich zu Anfang möchte ich Dir aber verraten, dass die Form der<br>
<br>
Dokumentation dabei eine eher untergeordnete Rolle spielt (hierzu hatte<br>
<br>
ich auch auf die Berichte von John Engle verwiesen aus Situationen, in<br>
<br>
denen es kein Papier, keine Stifte gibt und in denen viele der<br>
<br>
Teilnehmenden auch nicht lesen oder schreiben können).<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Also hier meine Hinweise an den Veranstalter:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
1. Ein Vorbereitungstreffen mit einer Gruppe, die in etwa die erwartete<br>
<br>
Teilnehmerschaft abbildet, also das ganze System, wie es sich zu diesem<br>
<br>
Zeitpunkt für ihn darstellt, zusammenbringen. Sie / er gehört dazu.<br>
<br>
Optimal ist, wenn diese Gruppe authorisiert ist mit ihr / ihm gemeinsame<br>
<br>
alles zu entscheiden: Thema, Einzuladende, Einladung, Organisation, etc.<br>
<br>
Ich biete ihm die Begleitung des in der Regel 3,5stündigen Treffens an.<br>
<br>
2. Eine Einladung, in der nicht nur zu der Veranstaltung eingeladen<br>
<br>
wird, sondern auch schon zu dem 8 bis 12 Wochen später stattfindendem<br>
<br>
"Nächsten Treffen", bei dem die Vorhaben, die in der Handlungsplanung
am<br>
<br>
Ende der OST Veranstaltung verabredet wurden, angeschaut werden...wo<br>
<br>
sind wir jetzt?, gibts neue Vorhaben?, wie gehts weiter?...plus mögliche<br>
<br>
weitere "Nächste Treffen".<br>
<br>
3. Ein Verfahren, in dem so gut wie es irgendwie möglich ist<br>
<br>
sichergestellt wird, dass all diejenigen auf jeweils spezifische Art und<br>
<br>
Weise vom Veranstalter und Mitgliedern der Vorbereitungsgruppe<br>
<br>
eingeladen werden, die dafür notwendig erscheinen, die Erwartungen unter<br>
<br>
der gewählten Überschrift auch tatsächlich einzulösen.<br>
<br>
4. Eine dreitägige Veranstaltung, also 16 Stunden auf drei Tage verteilt<br>
<br>
(Nachmittag, ganzer Tag, Vor-oder Nachmittag), zweimal schlafen, mit<br>
<br>
einer Handlungsplanung am letzten Tag.<br>
<br>
5. Eine Dokuwand mit allen aus den Anliegengruppen entstehenden<br>
<br>
Ergebnissen, die nochmal von allen gegen Ende des 2. Tages gemeinsame<br>
<br>
zur Kenntnis genommen wird mit der Möglichkeit, dann noch zu jedem<br>
<br>
Ergebnisblatt auf einem Ergänzungsblatt weitere Fragen, Hinweise, etc.<br>
<br>
festzuhalten.(Diese gesammelten Werke können entweder als Papierdoku in<br>
<br>
der Nacht vom 2. auf den 3. Tag hergestellt werden und den Teilnehmenden<br>
<br>
am dritten Tag morgens gegeben werden oder als pdf/eDoku nach der<br>
<br>
Veranstaltung auf einer www erscheinen, zu der die Teilnehmenden Zugang<br>
<br>
haben).<br>
<br>
6. Eine Kontaktliste der Teilnehmenden mit von den TeilnehmerInnen<br>
<br>
überprüften Kontaktdaten für alle Teilnehmenden, die das wollen, am Ende<br>
<br>
der Veranstaltung an alle Teilnehmenden für die Kommunikation nach der<br>
<br>
Tagung verteilen (die Kontaktliste wurde im Laufe der Veranstaltung von<br>
<br>
den Teilnehmenden selber erstellt).<br>
<br>
7. Kopien der Verabredungen, die in der Handlungsplanung zu den Vorhaben<br>
<br>
entstanden sind, an alle Teilnehmenden innert einer Woche nach der<br>
<br>
Veranstaltung verschicken samt Einladung zu dem bereits bekannten<br>
<br>
"Nächsten Treffen".<br>
<br>
8. Deutliche Hinweise darauf, das alles von den Teilnehmenden so weit es<br>
<br>
irgend möglich ist, selbst getan wird (ihre Anliegengruppen selbständig<br>
<br>
organisieren,Dokublätter anfertigen,Kontaktliste erstellen...)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Für Veranstalter, die Nachhaltigkeit wollen, ist das alles sehr einfach,<br>
<br>
einleuchtend, notwendig.<br>
<br>
Für Veranstalter, die das nicht (wirklich) wollen, ist das alles eine<br>
<br>
eher unüberwindbare Barriere.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
So, das ist das, was ich mache und ich möchte nicht, dass es als Rezept<br>
<br>
verstanden wird. Wenn jemand es so ausprobiert, würde es mich<br>
<br>
überraschen, wenn es nicht klappt....<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Herzlich Grüße aus Berlin<br>
<br>
mmp<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Catherine Pfaehler wrote:</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Dear Reinhard<br>
As you describe it in depth, it becomes more understandable and really<br>
sounds wonderful.<br>
What about writing a book on methods and hints for visual protocols? I<br>
especially like your idea of the participants doing the visual protocols<br>
themselves. Some might even discover they have a talent they weren't</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">aware</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">of!<br>
And my original question remains open - what do others do to foster<br>
sustainable outcomes?<br>
Heartfully, C.<br>
Catherine Pfaehler Senn<br>
lic.oec.HSG<br>
Open Space Begleitung<br>
St. Alban-Vorstadt 15<br>
CH - 4052 Basel<br>
+41-(0)76 - 488 15 46<br>
<a href="mailto:c.pfaehler@open-space-begleitung.ch" target="_blank">c.pfaehler@open-space-begleitung.ch</a><br>
<a href="http://www.open-space-begleitung.ch" target="_blank">www.open-space-begleitung.ch</a><br>
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>
Von: Reinhard Kuchenmueller [mailto:<a href="mailto:mail@visuelle-protokolle.de" target="_blank">mail@visuelle-protokolle.de</a>]<br>
Gesendet: Samstag, 27. Juni 2009 07:01<br>
An: <a href="mailto:c.pfaehler@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">c.pfaehler@bluewin.ch</a>;
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Betreff: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?<br>
Dear Catherine,<br>
it seems t get a dialogue between you and me - and Harrison defending his<br>
turf - while all the others are busy discussing Paris Stammtisch and some<br>
problems of dogma and exegesis in the holy principles.<br>
My focus lies on the os meeting. My heart belongs to the
paricipating<br>
people, my head to the client behind everything. In a meeting of lets</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">say</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">200 participants everybody can choose between lets say ten group themes</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">in</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">every time slot. If it goes for two days, with five time slots, that</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">makes</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">50 groups of which the everage participant chooses five groups. All the<br>
other groups, their themes, their surprising developments, their</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">exitement,</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">their outcome, does not exist for him. All the groups make some</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">protocols,</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">but in the worst possible way, in handwriting, and some typed short</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">version.</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Our everage participant does rarely read the outcomes of other groups.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">The</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">facilitator made himself invisible and is of little help. So his
horizon</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">is</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">built from 10 percent of the whole meeting. He goes home with a
beautiful<br>
experience of team building and self organisation, and some memeory of</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">10</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">percent of the meeting. The client goes home with some written
excerpts,</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">if he is lucky he will be confronted with some ideas afterwards, of</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">people</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">who want to ontinue their threads. Who is helping him to build the
bridge<br>
between his basic theme, his exspectations, and the outcome? The<br>
facilitator? By which means?<br>
I would wish all the os people could take part just once in a visualized</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">os</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">event. Some witnesses, fair minded, impartial, are moving from group to<br>
group, gathering process, results and atmosphere on small picture cards.<br>
Nobody is noticing them. They put these picture cards into a big picture<br>
wall, all the time, so that everybody who passes can get all the</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">procedures</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">in some seconds time. And in the evening all the picture cards,</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">digitalized</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">in the meantime, are shown to the plenum as a slide show with some
music,<br>
for about 10 minutes The participants not only increase the memory of</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">their</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">own group from 20 to 60 percent, as scientists can proove, but at the</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">same</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">time they get an overview about the whole big theme in all its</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">complexity.</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">As if they can suddenly see the whole tree, of which they were busy</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">handling</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">some branches so far. I experienced a deep satisfaction among the<br>
participants every time we did that work. Of course all that is against</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">the</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">old os dogma, but that does not bother the people at all.<br>
And the client? He gets a detailled insight into all the groups. The</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">little</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">images can be used in many ways to foster sustainable outcomes, as you</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">say.</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">They can be clustered, regrouped, with atonishing results, showing what<br>
people really said and mean.They can be used as material to work with in<br>
smaller groups who continue with some items, they can be put into the<br>
intranet, printed as leaflets, little books, calendars, posters, hang in</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">the</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">corridors ... As means to take the results really seriously.<br>
AND NOW THE BIG QUESTION: is that worth the extra costs of extra people,</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">who</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">visualize the event? Some clients say yes, it is. It makes the
difference<br>
between a beautiful experience of self orgsnization and the welding of a<br>
tool for the organization.<br>
I myself would not propose to visualize every os meeting by external<br>
visualizers. I would like very much to experiment with internal<br>
visualization. We developed different ways of visualizing by</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">participants.</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Once we made 800 union people in vienna
draw in little groups, 72 images,<br>
with an amazing result.<br>
I can imagine, that in every os group two or three people start to</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">doodle,</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">to draw what they experience, on little cards. A bit like world cafe (I<br>
propose to the world cafe people to use little cards as well). And then</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">like</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">said before, the cards can be hung into the picture wall, group by
geoup,<br>
and shown in the evening as slide show. I would very much like to develop<br>
this method and to make it available to the whole os community.<br>
mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
best regards<br>
Reinhard Kuchenmüller<br>
VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE<br>
tel. +39-0566 88929<br>
<a href="http://www.visuelle-protokolle.de" target="_blank">www.visuelle-protokolle.de</a><br>
________________________________________<br>
Von: Catherine Pfaehler [<a href="mailto:c.pfaehler@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">c.pfaehler@bluewin.ch</a>]<br>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2009 17:15<br>
An: Reinhard Kuchenmueller<br>
Cc: 'OSLIST'<br>
Betreff: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?<br>
Dear Reinhard<br>
You have a very interesting point there. I have often wondered how the<br>
sustainable implementation of visible results can be fostered
"better" by<br>
me, as in the post-OS-meeting, I often find my clients to focus on</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">different</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">things than what I would have expected.<br>
Then, again, on the other side, I am well aware that a most important</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">side</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">result of an OS event is always teambuilding, communication and a</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">stronger</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">commitment to their organisation by many participants. And if I succeed</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">in</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">allowing the client to really be responsible for what happens with the<br>
results, then I need to let go after having asked the evaluation</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">questions</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and some others like "Does anything need a vessel for coordination
now?"</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">"What has been developing since the OS event?".<br>
Other opinions??<br>
Heartfully, C.<br>
Catherine Pfaehler Senn<br>
lic.oec.HSG<br>
Open Space Begleitung<br>
St. Alban-Vorstadt 15<br>
CH - 4052 Basel<br>
+41-(0)76 - 488 15 46<br>
<a href="mailto:c.pfaehler@open-space-begleitung.ch" target="_blank">c.pfaehler@open-space-begleitung.ch</a><br>
<a href="http://www.open-space-begleitung.ch" target="_blank">www.open-space-begleitung.ch</a><br>
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>
Von: Reinhard Kuchenmueller [mailto:<a href="mailto:mail@visuelle-protokolle.de" target="_blank">mail@visuelle-protokolle.de</a>]<br>
Gesendet: Montag, 22. Juni 2009 19:12<br>
Betreff: AW: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of
OST - Foundations of OST?<br>
my two cents:<br>
a principle is defined as a law superordinated to every other law.<br>
Condition: A certain effect can always be retraced to the same</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">constellation</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">of facts. (wikipedia).<br>
In this sense Harrison's principles are
definitively no principles at</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">all.</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">But he was really clever: two martinis and four mundane sentences - and</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">the</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">whole world is repeating them like a mantra. Mantras, as the east knows<br>
since thousands of years, don't have to have a meaning, the essence lies<br>
behind them. It only gets painful, if you start to worship the mantras<br>
instead of the essence.<br>
Why is open space so effective? Certainly not because of the mantras. As</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">see it, we have to dig deeper:<br>
I could think of principles like:<br>
People are basically interested - to engage themselves<br>
- to take
responsibility<br>
- to
interlink themselves<br>
That happens as soon as one stops to treat people like obstinate mules.<br>
And there exist conditions, which foster that, which support this so</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">called</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">self organisation.<br>
Certainly open space technology, as it is practised worldwide, is an<br>
excellent condition for self organisation.<br>
And your 'foundations' define it well.<br>
Rather often a client spends money for an open space event, and for the<br>
facilitator who proposes open space as a tool for the clients' purposes.<br>
This aspect seems to be underestimated in the debate.<br>
In my view the facilitator is responsible to link the proposed and</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">choosen</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">form of the event, in our case open space, with the system and the</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">purpose</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">of the client. What the client pays for is not the self organisation of</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">his</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">people, that is only a beautiful side effect, and a bridge to engage</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">people</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">in the affairs of the client - and more often simultaneously in their
own<br>
working conditions.<br>
I cannot understand the disinterest of many open space facilitators</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">towards</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">the outcome and its linkage with the system of the client.<br>
That, in my eyes, is also the reason for the disinterest towards optimal<br>
forms of recording the outcome - and as a visual facilitator I of course<br>
propagate a visual form of protocol.<br>
The discussions in the os list are mainly conducted with the back to the<br>
clients, and that is a pity.<br>
mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
best regards<br>
Reinhard Kuchenmüller<br>
VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE<br>
tel. +39-0566 88929<br>
<a href="http://www.visuelle-protokolle.de" target="_blank">www.visuelle-protokolle.de</a><br>
________________________________________<br>
Von: OSLIST [<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
im Auftrag von Artur Silva<br>
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Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Juni 2009 18:25<br>
An: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Betreff: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of
OST - Foundations of OST?<br>
Larry:<br>
I am sorry but only today I had the time to answer you.<br>
We certainly need foundations or principles to Open Space.<br>
But I prefer the word "foundations" instead of "principles"
because, due</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">to</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">the man of the hat, this word is connected forever (only) with
"the 4<br>
principles". And I think that that there are other principles</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">(foundations)</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">as important as, or even more important than, the 4 so called
principles.<br>
Indeed I think (sorry Harrison) that the
expression "The 4 principles"</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">was</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">badly chosen.<br>
Because it they are "what always happens" they are not principles at
all.<br>
And because we think that we must state the principles in the beginning</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">of</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">every session (I myself to that the majority o the times - but not</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">always")</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and I am more and more convinced that they are useless. You can state</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">them</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">or nor, and the same things will occur. They are probably "one
less thing</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">to</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">do/state".<br>
But there are other principles or foundations that are essential, in the<br>
sense that if they are not present different things will happen.<br>
In the discussion I opened in our wiki some years ago I proposed the<br>
following:<br>
3. I would suggest, as HO wrote in the old User’s Guide, that OST begins<br>
with:<br>
* A THEME that is compelling enough, but also general and open
enough</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">to</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">let people dream about and<br>
* A GROUP OF COMMITED PEOPLE (reason for the presences to be
almost<br>
always voluntary)<br>
* Enough DIVERSITY in the group<br>
4. To those foundations one can add others that are generally accepted by<br>
all practitioners:<br>
* The CIRCLE (even if, in some cases, some argue that a
"virtual</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">circle"</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">will do)<br>
* The Bulletin Board<br>
* The Market Place<br>
* The "law of two feet" (one of the most, if not the
most important<br>
feature, from where butterflies and bumblebees "germinate" and many<br>
conflicts "evaporate")<br>
* The "four principles" (as I have promised ;-)<br>
(<a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST</a>)<br>
If I were to rewrite this today, I would surely suppress the last line.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">But</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">all the other "foundations" (including the law of two feet)
are</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">essential.</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">If you suppress one of them you will have a meeting; but not, IMHO, an</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">OST</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">meeting. But we may not talk at all about the "4 principles"
and</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">everything</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">will happen as usual.<br>
Best regrsds to all<br>
Artur<br>
--- On Thu, 5/28/09, Larry Peterson <<a href="mailto:larry@spiritedorg.com" target="_blank">larry@spiritedorg.com</a>> wrote:<br>
From: Larry Peterson <<a href="mailto:larry@spiritedorg.com" target="_blank">larry@spiritedorg.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of
OST - Foundations of OST?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 5:22 PM<br>
Maybe a “foundation” is another word for how I often describe the<br>
“principles”. I encourage people, when I open a space, to
make some<br>
assumptions about the gathering to assume what are stated as principles</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">to act on that basis during the event. I think these only become</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">“assumed”</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">after some evolution of consciousness and I don’t experience most
folks</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">in</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">organizations being there. I think it is important to articulate
them,</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">to</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">influence the “social construction” of the boundaries of
the OST event</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">along</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">with the most important part – the focus question or theme.
Yep, it may</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">be</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">a bit of ritualized behaviour but I think it helps increase the<br>
possibilities what will emerge in the self-organizing process that will<br>
happen anyway. Besides, I (we as facilitators) are one of the
“selves”</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">in</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">the self-organization.<br>
Larry<br>
Larry Peterson & Associates in Transformation<br>
Toronto, Ontario,
Canada<br>
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From: OSLIST [mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Artur<br>
Silva<br>
Sent: May-27-09 5:54 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of
OST - Foundations of OST?<br>
Harrison, Larry and all:<br>
I am afraid that I continue to read only the messages from this list from<br>
time to time...<br>
Today, I read this answer from Harrison to a reply
from Larry to an</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">original</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">comment by Harrison. The 3 messages
referred are listed below, and I ask</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">you</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">to first read the parts of those messages that I have transformed in</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">bold.</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">(...) Thanks for having done that ;-)<br>
Now, I am happy that Harrison agrees that
"the 4 principles and one law</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">are</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">neither laws nor principles actually" and that there will come a
day when<br>
The Law and The Principles can be assigned to that wonderful status of</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">“One</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">more thing not to do.”<br>
But Larry commented, very wisely as usual, about the importance of some</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">form</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">of “boundaries” or “container” for
self-organization.<br>
So, maybe it is the appropriate time to reintroduce a discussion that I</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">have</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">tried to introduce many moons ago, about what are the foundations of
OST.<br>
I mean,<br>
1) if the principles are not "principles" after all, but only what
always<br>
happens, and eventually even "one more thing not to do" (and I
remember</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">you</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">that I have done some OST experiments without reference to the
Principles</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">-</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and all went well as usual), but<br>
2) Some form of boundary or container is needed<br>
where this boundary or container does comes from?<br>
I have proposed to call that the "foundations" (not principles) of OST</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">proposed some ideas (that are only preliminary ideas) I would like to</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">read</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">(again) your opinions about.<br>
You can found my (preliminary) proposals, of some time ago, here<br>
<a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST</a><br>
and here</span></font></p>
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Looking forward to hear from you all<br>
Warn regards from a warm night in Lisbon<br>
Artur<br>
------<br>
--- On Wed, 5/27/09, Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br>
From: Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of
OST<br>
To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:23 AM<br>
Right on Larry – and I found a very curious and embarrassing typo in my<br>
small piece. I said, “They (the Principles and the Law) are descriptive</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">as</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">opposed to descriptive.” I meant to say,”They are
descriptive as opposed</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">to</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">prescriptive.” Point is neither the Law nor the Principles tell
you what</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">to</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">do – they simply alert everybody to what will be taking place no
matter<br>
what. I think that is a useful function, but it really doesn’t change a<br>
thing. In short – there will come a day when The Law and The Principles</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">can</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">be assigned to that wonderful status of “One more thing not to
do.”<br>
Harrison<br>
Harrison Owen<br>
7808 River Falls Drive<br>
Potomac, Maryland
20854<br>
Phone 301-365-2093<br>
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On Behalf Of Larry<br>
Peterson<br>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:44 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST<br>
For me, there is more sense in the “Principles and Law” than
non-sense.<br>
Stewart Kauffman explores the importance of some form of
“boundaries” or<br>
“container” for self-organization, particularly that of cells.
He</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">believes</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">(with strong scientific evidence) that real physical work only gets
done<br>
within some “boundaries” or it dissipates. Cells, he asserts,
co-create<br>
their “boundaries” with their environment through self-organizing<br>
relationships in every moment. The boundaries are permeable, constructs,<br>
open to interchange with their environment. (No such thing as a closed<br>
system!)<br>
Harrison, I believe you have articulated a set
of socially constructed<br>
permeable “boundaries” for enhancing human self-organization
– including</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">the</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">focus/theme, principles and law. These set a temporary set of</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">“boundaries”</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">or a “container” both focused and open that change the
perceived</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">conditions</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">for self-organization at an event or meeting. Self-organization
is<br>
happening all the time, in every moment. Our mental maps (in practice)</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">feelings shape what we do as we self-organize – what topics we
propose</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">who we connect to. Are they necessary for self-organization (Open
Space)</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">–</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">no, it is happening all the time as order emerges. Do they (or
other<br>
similar statements about the social framework for our self-organizing)</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">help</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">people to self-organize in exciting and creative ways? I think
so.<br>
Larry<br>
Larry Peterson & Associates in Transformation<br>
Toronto, Ontario,
Canada<br>
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On Behalf Of</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Harrison</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Owen<br>
Sent: May-25-09 2:59 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of
OST<br>
Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law<br>
are neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">(and</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">others’) observations of what seemed to be happening in any case.
In a</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">word</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive – You could say it
is all</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">a</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">joke. Rather like “technology” in the phrase Open Space
Technology. The<br>
joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny – because somehow or<br>
another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">that</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">what happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it
does –</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and</span></font></p>
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