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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Suzanne – Not all
that long. But very good. Welcome to the Club! You have succinctly posed both
the problem and possibilities of Open Space. On the one hand it (OS) violates
virtually every principle and practice of the management of organizations. In
addition it cannot provide the one thing that most managers/executives
seemingly want – certainty and predictability. On the other hand it
“works” – often at surprising and breathtaking levels, which
itself becomes a problem if only because the results are so far beyond the
“standard curve” as to appear outlandish, weird, and to be truthful
– like a pure fabrication. Otherwise known as a lie! Nobody in their
right mind should be caught in association with such an aberrant phenomenon.
Definitely hazardous to your professional health, as it probably is some new
cult or religious fantasy, replete with odd dogma and secret handshakes. At
least some people seem to think so, and I wouldn’t blame them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Given all of the above, it
is totally remarkable that Open Space is still around to bother people. By all
rights it should have been eliminated or at the very least contained. And in
fact it is clear that efforts have been made in that regard. The first level of
effort might be called The Silent Treatment. It has always been interesting to
me that the academic world has essentially ignored Open Space. Virtually no
articles, classes or discussion of a phenomenon that has been around for 25
years, with 100,000’s of iterations, appearing in 136 countries. But were
you to go to most business schools, “it” never happened. Actually
this is not all that surprising because if OS did happen, much of what takes
place at the average business school would be open to radical question. This
would not be good for employment, tenure, and the continuing collection of
(very large) student fees.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>A second level of effort
is the Containment Strategy, which comes in two forms. First is “Doing a
Little Bit of Open Space.” As Open Space gained some degree of popular
interest, some thought to give it a try, but with severe limitations, lest it
get out of control. This became known as doing a “little bit” of
Open Space. In the worst of circumstances it was the same old meeting (closely
controlled, highly facilitated, with detailed schedules, and list of guaranteed
outcomes) – and with the magic words, “Open Space” whispered
quietly at the start. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The second form of the
Containment Strategy might be called The Tool-in-the-Box approach. Open Space
is described as one more tool for the box – and in my more suspicious moments
I rather think that some people would like to keep it in the box as much as
possible. By defining OS as a tool it may be equated and compared with other
such tools (presumably, Future Search, AI, etc) and used only in the
appropriate situations. There is some logic to this strategy for at first
glance, OS certainly does look like a tool. But with a little closer inspection
the oddity of Open Space as a tool begins to peep through.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In the first place Open
Space is ridiculously simple. Sit in a circle, create a bulletin board, open
and market place, and go to work. No self respecting group method (large or
small) could possibly be that simple! And it gets worse. It is not entirely
clear how or why it works. In fact it seems to work pretty much all by itself and
the less the facilitator does, the better it works. Obviously this is a tool
best left in the box. It is unreliable (un-predictable results), can be “done”
by virtually anybody, and has a mind of its own. What sort of irresponsible
consultant could possibly choose such a tool – let alone recommend it to
a client?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Now we come down to the
really sticky wicket. There are some strange people, myself for one, who have
come to an understanding that the resolution of the mystery of Open Space (Why
it works?) comes from the world of self organizing systems. In short, Open Space
works because self-organization works. Or put another way – Open Space is
self-organization at work. This sounds like a nice, safe, theoretical premise.
But maybe not! Should it turn out that self-organization is a (or the)
fundamental mechanism in the ongoing evolution of the cosmos – the whole
cosmos including all human systems (us) – then it is ALL open space and
choice is not an option. To offer people a choice is to offer a false choice, and
to the extent that this choice is offered in order to meet perceived client
need to be in control (have predictability and certainty) – we are
effectively enabling delusional behavior. We are also offering something we can’t
deliver. And that, of course raises certain ethical questions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Now I am definitely in
trouble. But that is what happens when you mess around with Open Space. Welcome
Aboard Suzanne!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Suzanne Daigle<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 01, 2009
6:55 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
line-height:115%'>(warning very long...)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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As I follow and reflect on the discussion about visual protocol and offering
visual results from an Open Space experience and then think about how we
connect benefits of self-organizing to a client’s desired outcome, so
many questions surface for me. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
line-height:115%'>How can we honor a client’s desired outcome which
assumes predictability and control when Open Space invites something quite
different? With my limited experience with Open Space (I’ve only
done two as an unpaid volunteer) and a long corporate career, my gut tells me
that the Open Space way of lighting up passion and responsibility in individuals
and collectives will lead to results that far exceed what a client could
initially expect. I know because all my life, I’ve seen how much
gets accomplished when people are passionate about what they do. Open
Space is all about that. Many clients want a clear-cut route to improved
results, better service, higher quality, etc. This we cannot promise.
Rather, OS is a journey, a new way of doing which means undoing what
didn’t work, and seeing what we don’t’ want to see to create
what we can’t know. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
line-height:115%'>How can we effectively convey to a client the importance of
gut feel and intuition, inviting them to an experience that they must
“feel” and not just “think”? The dilemma is that you
cannot know Open Space until you’ve done Open Space and not just
once. How can you describe what get’s ignited in people when they
get to choose (Law of Two Feet), feel Equal and live/work according to
principles (4 OS principles) – something that makes so much sense but
that is so different than what our current hierarchical world dictates? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
line-height:115%'>Once people are activated in an Open Space way, I think it
ignites a longing that is in each of us and the difficulty is that you just
don’t want to go back to the old way. How then do we blend traditional
and self-organizing? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
line-height:115%'>I struggle with these questions and as I embark on this wild
ride of OS, I imagine myself building trust at the beginning of my relationship
with clients talking about the issues that they care about and that they know:
their business. Hopefully by connecting and being honest, I will
establish enough trust so that they will want to try this new way, knowing deep
inside them that the old ways aren’t working any more. It’s
about finding the courage of our voice and actions, doing this together in a supportive
way.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
line-height:115%'>Knowing that we cannot immediately and fully internalize all
that OS represents, I then struggle with how we can optimize and capture what
Open Space does inside you. What I did with incredible help from Michele
Young, who assisted me on the two Open Spaces that I facilitated, was create a
visual show that not only tried to capture in its authenticity what happened
there but also tried to convey the spirit of the invitation and preparation and
the OS concepts and themes of this new way of being so that people through
pictures can remember what it “felt” like to be part of this.
I questioned myself in doing so wondering if this went against the principles
of self-organizing, equality, and the self-effacing role of a facilitator. Then
I told myself: heck…I’m doing it anyway as a gift. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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line-height:115%'> </span></font><font size=2 color="#fa0000"
face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:
"Comic Sans MS";color:#FA0000'>IONS Conference Open Space in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Tucson</st1:place></st1:City><br>
</span></font><u><font size=2 color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span
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color:blue'><a
href="http://www.authorstream.com/Presentation/daigle_Suzanne-208049-ions-away-presentation-open-space-spiritual-inspirational-ppt-powerpoint/">http://www.authorstream.com/Presentation/daigle_Suzanne-208049-ions-away-presentation-open-space-spiritual-inspirational-ppt-powerpoint/</a></span></font></u><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:
normal'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman"'>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Harrison Owen
<<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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Subject: Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Liebe Catherine,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>ich hab zu Deiner Frage schon mal in dieser Liste auf Englisch </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>geschrieben, aber hier kommts nochmal auf deutsch (ich fänds
super, </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>wenns auch noch jemand, der es auf französisch und italienisch
und </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Latein probiert, aufschreibt, damit es sich in der ganzen
Schweiz </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>verbreiten kann):</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Mich</span></font></st1:place></st1:State>
interessieren Nachhaltigkeit oder nachhaltige Ergebnisse in meiner <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Rolle als Begleiter überhaupt nicht.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Wenn der Veranstalter allerdings sowas will, nehm ich ihm ja
auch in </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>keiner Weise krumm, dann sage ich ihm, was er tun kann, damit
die </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Wahrscheinlichkeit von nachhaltiger Umsetzung von Verabredungen
zu </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Vorhaben steigt und welcher Aufwand von Veranstaltern dazu mit
ziemlich </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>gutem Erfolg dafür betrieben worden ist.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Gleich zu Anfang möchte ich Dir aber verraten, dass die Form der
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Dokumentation dabei eine eher untergeordnete Rolle spielt
(hierzu hatte </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>ich auch auf die Berichte von John Engle verwiesen aus
Situationen, in </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>denen es kein Papier, keine Stifte gibt und in denen viele der </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Teilnehmenden auch nicht lesen oder schreiben können).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Also hier meine Hinweise an den Veranstalter:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>1. Ein Vorbereitungstreffen mit einer Gruppe, die in etwa die
erwartete </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Teilnehmerschaft abbildet, also das ganze System, wie es sich zu
diesem </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Zeitpunkt für ihn darstellt, zusammenbringen. Sie / er gehört
dazu. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Optimal ist, wenn diese Gruppe authorisiert ist mit ihr / ihm
gemeinsame </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>alles zu entscheiden: Thema, Einzuladende, Einladung,
Organisation, etc.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Ich biete ihm die Begleitung des in der Regel 3,5stündigen
Treffens an.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>2. Eine Einladung, in der nicht nur zu der Veranstaltung
eingeladen </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>wird, sondern auch schon zu dem 8 bis 12 Wochen später
stattfindendem </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>"Nächsten Treffen", bei dem die Vorhaben, die in der
Handlungsplanung am </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Ende der OST Veranstaltung verabredet wurden, angeschaut
werden...wo </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>sind wir jetzt?, gibts neue Vorhaben?, wie gehts weiter?...plus
mögliche </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>weitere "Nächste Treffen".</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>3. Ein Verfahren, in dem so gut wie es irgendwie möglich ist </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>sichergestellt wird, dass all diejenigen auf jeweils spezifische
Art und </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Weise vom Veranstalter und Mitgliedern der Vorbereitungsgruppe </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>eingeladen werden, die dafür notwendig erscheinen, die
Erwartungen unter </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>der gewählten Überschrift auch tatsächlich einzulösen.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>4. Eine dreitägige Veranstaltung, also 16 Stunden auf drei Tage
verteilt </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>(Nachmittag, ganzer Tag, Vor-oder Nachmittag), zweimal schlafen,
mit </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>einer Handlungsplanung am letzten Tag.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>5. Eine Dokuwand mit allen aus den Anliegengruppen entstehenden </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Ergebnissen, die nochmal von allen gegen Ende des 2. Tages
gemeinsame </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>zur Kenntnis genommen wird mit der Möglichkeit, dann noch zu
jedem </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Ergebnisblatt auf einem Ergänzungsblatt weitere Fragen,
Hinweise, etc. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>festzuhalten.(Diese gesammelten Werke können entweder als
Papierdoku in </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>der Nacht vom 2. auf den 3. Tag hergestellt werden und den
Teilnehmenden </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>am dritten Tag morgens gegeben werden oder als pdf/eDoku nach
der </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Veranstaltung auf einer www erscheinen, zu der die Teilnehmenden
Zugang </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>haben).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>6. Eine Kontaktliste der Teilnehmenden mit von den
TeilnehmerInnen </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>überprüften Kontaktdaten für alle Teilnehmenden, die das wollen,
am Ende </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>der Veranstaltung an alle Teilnehmenden für die Kommunikation
nach der </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Tagung verteilen (die Kontaktliste wurde im Laufe der
Veranstaltung von </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>den Teilnehmenden selber erstellt).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>7. Kopien der Verabredungen, die in der Handlungsplanung zu den
Vorhaben </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>entstanden sind, an alle Teilnehmenden innert einer Woche nach
der </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Veranstaltung verschicken samt Einladung zu dem bereits
bekannten </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>"Nächsten Treffen".</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>8. Deutliche Hinweise darauf, das alles von den Teilnehmenden so
weit es </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>irgend möglich ist, selbst getan wird (ihre Anliegengruppen
selbständig </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>organisieren,Dokublätter anfertigen,Kontaktliste erstellen...)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Für Veranstalter, die Nachhaltigkeit wollen, ist das alles sehr
einfach, </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>einleuchtend, notwendig.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Für Veranstalter, die das nicht (wirklich) wollen, ist das alles
eine </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>eher unüberwindbare Barriere.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>So, das ist das, was ich mache und ich möchte nicht, dass es als
Rezept </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>verstanden wird. Wenn jemand es so ausprobiert, würde es <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">mich</st1:place></st1:State> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>überraschen, wenn es nicht klappt....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Herzlich Grüße aus <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>mmp</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Catherine Pfaehler wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Dear Reinhard</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> As you describe it in depth, it becomes more understandable
and really</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> sounds wonderful. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> What about writing a book on methods and hints for visual
protocols? I</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> especially like your idea of the participants doing the
visual protocols</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> themselves. Some might even discover they have a talent
they weren't aware</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> of!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> And my original question remains open - what do others do
to foster</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> sustainable outcomes?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Heartfully, C.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Catherine Pfaehler Senn</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> lic.oec.HSG</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Open Space Begleitung</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> St. Alban-Vorstadt 15</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> CH - 4052 <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Basel</st1:place></st1:City></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> +41-(0)76 - 488 15 46</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:c.pfaehler@open-space-begleitung.ch"
target="_blank">c.pfaehler@open-space-begleitung.ch</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.open-space-begleitung.ch"
target="_blank">www.open-space-begleitung.ch</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Von: Reinhard Kuchenmueller [mailto:<a
href="mailto:mail@visuelle-protokolle.de" target="_blank">mail@visuelle-protokolle.de</a>]
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Gesendet: Samstag, 27. Juni 2009 07:01</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> An: <a href="mailto:c.pfaehler@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">c.pfaehler@bluewin.ch</a>;
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Betreff: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Dear Catherine,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> it seems t get a dialogue between you and me - and Harrison
defending his</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> turf - while all the others are busy discussing Paris
Stammtisch and some</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> problems of dogma and exegesis in the holy principles.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> My focus lies on the os meeting. My heart
belongs to the paricipating</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> people, my head to the client behind everything. In a
meeting of lets say</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> 200 participants everybody can choose between lets say ten
group themes in</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> every time slot. If it goes for two days, with five time
slots, that makes</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> 50 groups of which the everage participant chooses five
groups. All the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> other groups, their themes, their surprising developments,
their exitement,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> their outcome, does not exist for him. All the groups make
some protocols,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> but in the worst possible way, in handwriting, and some
typed short version.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Our everage participant does rarely read the outcomes of
other groups. The</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> facilitator made himself invisible and is of little help.
So his horizon is</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> built from 10 percent of the whole meeting. He goes home
with a beautiful</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> experience of team building and self organisation,
and some memeory of 10</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> percent of the meeting. The client goes home with some
written excerpts, and</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> if he is lucky he will be confronted with some ideas
afterwards, of people</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> who want to ontinue their threads. Who is helping him to
build the bridge</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> between his basic theme, his exspectations, and the
outcome? The</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> facilitator? By which means?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> I would wish all the os people could take part just once in
a visualized os</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> event. Some witnesses, fair minded, impartial, are moving
from group to</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> group, gathering process, results and atmosphere on small
picture cards.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Nobody is noticing them. They put these picture cards into
a big picture</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> wall, all the time, so that everybody who passes can get
all the procedures</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> in some seconds time. And in the evening all the picture
cards, digitalized</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> in the meantime, are shown to the plenum as a slide show
with some music,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> for about 10 minutes The participants not only increase the
memory of their</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> own group from 20 to 60 percent, as scientists can proove,
but at the same</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> time they get an overview about the whole big theme in all
its complexity.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> As if they can suddenly see the whole tree, of which they
were busy handling</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> some branches so far. I experienced a deep satisfaction
among the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> participants every time we did that work. Of course all
that is against the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> old os dogma, but that does not bother the people at all.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> And the client? He gets a detailled insight into all the
groups. The little</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> images can be used in many ways to foster sustainable
outcomes, as you say.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> They can be clustered, regrouped, with atonishing results,
showing what</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> people really said and mean.They can be used as material to
work with in</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> smaller groups who continue with some items, they can be
put into the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> intranet, printed as leaflets, little books, calendars,
posters, hang in the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> corridors ... As means to take the results really
seriously.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> AND NOW THE BIG QUESTION: is that worth the extra costs of extra
people, who</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> visualize the event? Some clients say yes, it is. It makes
the difference</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> between a beautiful experience of self orgsnization and the
welding of a</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> tool for the organization.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> I myself would not propose to visualize every os meeting by
external</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> visualizers. I would like very much to experiment
with internal</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> visualization. We developed different ways of
visualizing by participants.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Once we made 800 union people in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">vienna</st1:place></st1:City> draw in little groups, 72 images,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> with an amazing result.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> I can imagine, that in every os group two or three people
start to doodle,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> to draw what they experience, on little cards. A bit like
world cafe (I</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> propose to the world cafe people to use little cards as
well). And then like</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> said before, the cards can be hung into the picture wall,
group by geoup,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> and shown in the evening as slide show. I would very much
like to develop</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> this method and to make it available to the whole os
community.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> mit freundlichen Grüßen</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> best regards</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Reinhard Kuchenmüller</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> tel. +39-0566 88929</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.visuelle-protokolle.de" target="_blank">www.visuelle-protokolle.de</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> ________________________________________</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Von: Catherine Pfaehler [<a
href="mailto:c.pfaehler@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">c.pfaehler@bluewin.ch</a>]</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2009 17:15</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> An: Reinhard Kuchenmueller</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Cc: '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>'</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Betreff: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Dear Reinhard</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> You have a very interesting point there. I have often
wondered how the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> sustainable implementation of visible results can be
fostered "better" by</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> me, as in the post-OS-meeting, I often find my clients to
focus on different</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> things than what I would have expected.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Then, again, on the other side, I am well aware that a most
important side</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> result of an OS event is always teambuilding, communication
and a stronger</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> commitment to their organisation by many participants. And
if I succeed in</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> allowing the client to really be responsible for what
happens with the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> results, then I need to let go after having asked the
evaluation questions</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> and some others like "Does anything need a vessel for
coordination now?" and</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> "What has been developing since the OS event?".</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Other opinions??</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Heartfully, C.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Catherine Pfaehler Senn</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> lic.oec.HSG</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Open Space Begleitung</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> St. Alban-Vorstadt 15</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> CH - 4052 <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Basel</st1:place></st1:City></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> +41-(0)76 - 488 15 46</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:c.pfaehler@open-space-begleitung.ch"
target="_blank">c.pfaehler@open-space-begleitung.ch</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.open-space-begleitung.ch"
target="_blank">www.open-space-begleitung.ch</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Von: Reinhard Kuchenmueller [mailto:<a
href="mailto:mail@visuelle-protokolle.de" target="_blank">mail@visuelle-protokolle.de</a>]</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Gesendet: Montag, 22. Juni 2009 19:12</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Betreff: AW: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>]
Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> my two cents:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> a principle is defined as a law superordinated to every
other law.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Condition: A certain effect can always be retraced to the
same constellation</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> of facts. (wikipedia).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> In this sense <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>'s
principles are definitively no principles at all.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> But he was really clever: two martinis and four mundane
sentences - and the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> whole world is repeating them like a mantra. Mantras, as
the east knows</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> since thousands of years, don't have to have a meaning, the
essence lies</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> behind them. It only gets painful, if you start to worship
the mantras</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> instead of the essence.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Why is open space so effective? Certainly not because of
the mantras. As I</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> see it, we have to dig deeper:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> I could think of principles like:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> People are basically interested - to engage
themselves</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>>
- to take responsibility</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>>
- to interlink themselves</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> That happens as soon as one stops to treat people like
obstinate mules.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> And there exist conditions, which foster that, which
support this so called</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> self organisation.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Certainly open space technology, as it is practised
worldwide, is an</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> excellent condition for self organisation.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> And your 'foundations' define it well.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Rather often a client spends money for an open space event,
and for the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> facilitator who proposes open space as a tool for the
clients' purposes.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> This aspect seems to be underestimated in the debate.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> In my view the facilitator is responsible to link the
proposed and choosen</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> form of the event, in our case open space, with the system
and the purpose</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> of the client. What the client pays for is not the self
organisation of his</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> people, that is only a beautiful side effect, and a bridge
to engage people</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> in the affairs of the client - and more often
simultaneously in their own</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> working conditions.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> I cannot understand the disinterest of many open space
facilitators towards</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> the outcome and its linkage with the system of the client.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> That, in my eyes, is also the reason for the disinterest
towards optimal</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> forms of recording the outcome - and as a visual
facilitator I of course</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> propagate a visual form of protocol.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> The discussions in the os list are mainly conducted with
the back to the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> clients, and that is a pity.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> mit freundlichen Grüßen</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> best regards</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Reinhard Kuchenmüller</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> tel. +39-0566 88929</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.visuelle-protokolle.de" target="_blank">www.visuelle-protokolle.de</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> ________________________________________</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Von: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> [<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
im Auftrag von <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Artur Silva</st1:PersonName></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> [<a href="mailto:arturfsilva@YAHOO.COM" target="_blank">arturfsilva@YAHOO.COM</a>]</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Juni 2009 18:25</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> An: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Betreff: Re: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>]
Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Larry:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> I am sorry but only today I had the time to answer you.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> We certainly need foundations or principles to Open Space.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> But I prefer the word "foundations" instead of
"principles" because, due to</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> the man of the hat, this word is connected forever (only)
with "the 4</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> principles". And I think that that there are other
principles (foundations)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> as important as, or even more important than, the 4 so
called principles.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Indeed I think (sorry <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>)
that the expression "The 4 principles" was</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> badly chosen.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Because it they are "what always happens" they
are not principles at all.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> And because we think that we must state the principles in
the beginning of</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> every session (I myself to that the majority o the times -
but not always")</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> and I am more and more convinced that they are useless. You
can state them</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> or nor, and the same things will occur. They are probably
"one less thing to</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> do/state".</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> But there are other principles or foundations that are
essential, in the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> sense that if they are not present different things will
happen.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> In the discussion I opened in our wiki some years ago I
proposed the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> following:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> 3. I would suggest, as HO wrote in the old User’s
Guide, that OST begins</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> with:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> * A THEME that is compelling enough, but
also general and open enough to</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> let people dream about and</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> * A GROUP OF COMMITED PEOPLE (reason for
the presences to be almost</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> always voluntary)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> * Enough DIVERSITY in the group</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> 4. To those foundations one can add others that are
generally accepted by</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> all practitioners:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> * The CIRCLE (even if, in some cases,
some argue that a "virtual circle"</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> will do)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> * The Bulletin Board</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> * The Market Place</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> * The "law of two feet" (one of
the most, if not the most important</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> feature, from where butterflies and bumblebees
"germinate" and many</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> conflicts "evaporate")</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> * The "four principles" (as I
have promised ;-)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> (<a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST"
target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST</a>)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> If I were to rewrite this today, I would surely suppress
the last line. But</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> all the other "foundations" (including the law of
two feet) are essential.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> If you suppress one of them you will have a meeting; but
not, IMHO, an OST</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> meeting. But we may not talk at all about the "4
principles" and everything</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> will happen as usual.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Best regrsds to all</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Artur</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Larry Peterson <<a
href="mailto:larry@spiritedorg.com" target="_blank">larry@spiritedorg.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> From: Larry Peterson <<a
href="mailto:larry@spiritedorg.com" target="_blank">larry@spiritedorg.com</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Subject: Re: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>]
Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 5:22 PM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Maybe a “foundation” is another word for how I
often describe the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> “principles”. I encourage people, when I
open a space, to make some</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> assumptions about the gathering to assume what are stated
as principles and</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> to act on that basis during the event. I think these
only become “assumed”</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> after some evolution of consciousness and I don’t
experience most folks in</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> organizations being there. I think it is important to
articulate them, to</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> influence the “social construction” of the
boundaries of the OST event along</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> with the most important part – the focus question or
theme. Yep, it may be</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> a bit of ritualized behaviour but I think it helps increase
the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> possibilities what will emerge in the self-organizing
process that will</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> happen anyway. Besides, I (we as facilitators) are
one of the “selves” in</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> the self-organization.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Larry</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Larry Peterson & Associates in Transformation</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Toronto</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">Ontario</st1:State>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region></st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:larry@spiritedorg.com" target="_blank">larry@spiritedorg.com</a><<a
href="http://us.mc546.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@spi" target="_blank">http://us.mc546.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@spi</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://ritedorg.com" target="_blank">ritedorg.com</a>>
416.653.4829</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.spiritedorg.com" target="_blank">http://www.spiritedorg.com</a><<a
href="http://www.spiritedorg.com/" target="_blank">http://www.spiritedorg.com/</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Artur</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Silva</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Sent: May-27-09 5:54 PM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Subject: Re: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>]
Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Harrison, Larry and all:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> I am afraid that I continue to read only the messages from
this list from</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> time to time...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Today, I read this answer from <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>
to a reply from Larry to an original</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> comment by <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>. The 3
messages referred are listed below, and I ask you</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> to first read the parts of those messages that I have
transformed in bold.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> (...) Thanks for having done that ;-)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Now, I am happy that <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>
agrees that "the 4 principles and one law are</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> neither laws nor principles actually" and that there will
come a day when</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> The Law and The Principles can be assigned to that
wonderful status of “One</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> more thing not to do.”</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> But Larry commented, very wisely as usual, about the
importance of some form</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> of “boundaries” or “container” for self-organization.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> So, maybe it is the appropriate time to reintroduce a
discussion that I have</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> tried to introduce many moons ago, about what are the
foundations of OST.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> I mean,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> 1) if the principles are not "principles" after
all, but only what always</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> happens, and eventually even "one more thing not to
do" (and I remember you</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> that I have done some OST experiments without reference to
the Principles -</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> and all went well as usual), but</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> 2) Some form of boundary or container is needed</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> where this boundary or container does comes from?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> I have proposed to call that the "foundations"
(not principles) of OST and</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> proposed some ideas (that are only preliminary ideas) I
would like to read</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> (again) your opinions about.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> You can found my (preliminary) proposals, of some time ago,
here</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST"
target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> and here</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a
href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=oslist&P=R23925&I=-3&"
target="_blank">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=oslist&P=R23925&I=-3&</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> X=6543D44B5D0A7C3BC4&Y=arturfsilva%<a
href="http://40yahoo.com" target="_blank">40yahoo.com</a>.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Looking forward to hear from you all</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Warn regards from a warm night in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Lisbon</st1:place></st1:City></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Artur</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> ------</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Harrison Owen <<a
href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> From: Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net"
target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Subject: Re: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>]
Anti Laws of OST</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:23 AM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Right on Larry – and I found a very curious and
embarrassing typo in my</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> small piece. I said, “They (the Principles and the
Law) are descriptive as</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> opposed to descriptive.” I meant to say,”They
are descriptive as opposed to</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> prescriptive.” Point is neither the Law nor the
Principles tell you what to</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> do – they simply alert everybody to what will be
taking place no matter</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> what. I think that is a useful function, but it really
doesn’t change a</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> thing. In short – there will come a day when The Law
and The Principles can</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> be assigned to that wonderful status of “One more
thing not to do.”</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Harrison Owen</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">7808 River
Falls Drive</st1:address></st1:Street></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Potomac</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">Maryland</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">20854</st1:PostalCode></st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Phone 301-365-2093</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Skype hhowen</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Open Space Training <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com"
target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.com</a><<a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.com/</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Open Space Institute <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org"
target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.org</a><<a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Personal website <a href="http://www.ho-image.com"
target="_blank">www.ho-image.com</a><<a href="http://www.ho-image.com/"
target="_blank">http://www.ho-image.com/</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>: To
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> -----Original Message-----</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Larry</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Peterson</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:44 AM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> For me, there is more sense in the “Principles and
Law” than non-sense.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Stewart Kauffman explores the importance of some form of
“boundaries” or</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> “container” for self-organization, particularly
that of cells. He believes</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> (with strong scientific evidence) that real physical work
only gets done</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> within some “boundaries” or it
dissipates. Cells, he asserts, co-create</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> their “boundaries” with their environment
through self-organizing</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> relationships in every moment. The boundaries are
permeable, constructs,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> open to interchange with their environment. (No such thing
as a closed</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> system!)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>, I believe you
have articulated a set of socially constructed</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> permeable “boundaries” for enhancing human
self-organization – including the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> focus/theme, principles and law. These set a
temporary set of “boundaries”</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> or a “container” both focused and open that
change the perceived conditions</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> for self-organization at an event or meeting.
Self-organization is</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> happening all the time, in every moment. Our mental
maps (in practice) and</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> feelings shape what we do as we self-organize – what
topics we propose and</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> who we connect to. Are they necessary for
self-organization (Open Space) –</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> no, it is happening all the time as order emerges. Do
they (or other</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> similar statements about the social framework for our
self-organizing) help</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> people to self-organize in exciting and creative
ways? I think so.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Larry</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Larry Peterson & Associates in Transformation</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Toronto</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">Ontario</st1:State>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region></st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:larry@spiritedorg.com" target="_blank">larry@spiritedorg.com</a><<a
href="http://us.mc546.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@spi" target="_blank">http://us.mc546.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@spi</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://ritedorg.com" target="_blank">ritedorg.com</a>>
416.653.4829</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.spiritedorg.com" target="_blank">http://www.spiritedorg.com</a><<a
href="http://www.spiritedorg.com/" target="_blank">http://www.spiritedorg.com/</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Harrison</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Owen</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Sent: May-25-09 2:59 PM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Subject: Re: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>]
Anti Laws of OST</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4
principles and one law</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> are neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they
are just my (and</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> others’) observations of what seemed to be happening
in any case. In a word</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive – You
could say it is all a</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> joke. Rather like “technology” in the phrase
Open Space Technology. The</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny –
because somehow or</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble!
Everybody knows that</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> what happens in Open Space simply can’t happen.
Unfortunately it does – and</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff
– like most of what we</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> think we know about meetings, the management of meetings,
and management</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> itself. Double trouble!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Harrison Owen</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">7808 River
Falls Drive</st1:address></st1:Street></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Potomac</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">Maryland</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">20854</st1:PostalCode></st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Phone 301-365-2093</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Skype hhowen</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Open Space Training <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com"
target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.com</a><<a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.com/</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Open Space Institute <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org"
target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.org</a><<a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> Personal website <a href="http://www.ho-image.com"
target="_blank">www.ho-image.com</a><<a href="http://www.ho-image.com/"
target="_blank">http://www.ho-image.com/</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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target="_blank">oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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To learn about</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> OpenSpaceEmailLists and <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
FAQs: <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
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target="_blank">oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a
href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html" target="_blank">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a>
To learn about</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> OpenSpaceEmailLists and <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
FAQs: <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
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"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu"
target="_blank">oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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To learn about</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> OpenSpaceEmailLists and <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
FAQs: <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Courier New"'>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu" target="_blank">oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a
href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html" target="_blank">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> FAQs:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist"
target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Courier New"'>> *</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Courier New"'>> *</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Courier New"'>> ==========================================================</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> ------------------------------</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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href="mailto:oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu" target="_blank">oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a
href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html" target="_blank">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> FAQs:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist"
target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>-- </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Michael M Pannwitz, boscop eg</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Draisweg 1, 12209 <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Berlin</st1:City>,
<st1:country-region w:st="on">Germany</st1:country-region></st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>++49-30-772 8000</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'><a href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org" target="_blank">mmpanne@boscop.org</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'><a href="http://www.boscop.org" target="_blank">www.boscop.org</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 447
resident Open </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Space Workers in 71 countries working in a total of 140
countries worldwide</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Have a look:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'><a href="http://www.openspaceworldmap.org" target="_blank">www.openspaceworldmap.org</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Courier New"'>*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu" target="_blank">oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu</a>:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Courier New"'><a href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html"
target="_blank">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Courier New"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
FAQs:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
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