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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Artur:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think I was not clear in my response. I often use the words “assumptions
I encourage you to make” when I talk about the four “principles”. I believe
that many people are not “conscious” of their “skin” and in fact make other
assumptions (social constructs) that “contain” the space in unhealthy or
non-productive ways. Certainly the government of Iran makes different assumptions
about self-organization than those on the streets. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>“What ever happens is the only thing that could have” is an assumption
that many people can articulate but have a hard time truly making and living
by. Buddhist perspectives emphasize this but other religious traditions,
including humanism, have a hard time really being present in the “now”. That’s
why the new skin needs to be articulated, in addition to your other well
articulated “foundations” from my perspective.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Larry Peterson & Associates in Transformation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Toronto, Ontario, Canada<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:larry@spiritedorg.com"><span style='color:blue'>larry@spiritedorg.com</span></a>
416.653.4829 <a href="http://www.spiritedorg.com/"><span style='color:blue'>http://www.spiritedorg.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Artur Silva<br>
<b>Sent:</b> June-21-09 12:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Larry:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
am sorry but only today I had the time to answer you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>We
certainly need foundations or principles to Open Space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>But
I prefer the word "foundations" instead of "principles"
because, due to the man of the hat, this word is connected forever
(only) with "the 4 principles". And I think that that there are
other principles (foundations) as important as, or even more important than,
the 4 so called principles.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Indeed
I think (sorry Harrison) that the expression "The 4 principles"
was badly chosen. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Because
it they are "what always happens" they are not principles at all.
And because we think that we must state the principles in the beginning of
every session (I myself to that the majority o the times - but not
always") and I am more and more convinced that they are useless. You can
state them or nor, and the same things will occur. They are probably
"one less thing to do/state". <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>But
there are other principles or foundations that are essential, in the sense
that if they are not present different things will happen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>In
the discussion I opened in our wiki some years ago I proposed the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>3.
I would suggest, as HO wrote in the old User’s Guide, that OST begins with: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>A THEME that is compelling enough, but
also general and open enough to let people dream about and <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>A GROUP OF COMMITED PEOPLE (reason for
the presences to be almost always voluntary) <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'>Enough DIVERSITY in the group <o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>4.
To those foundations one can add others that are generally accepted by all
practitioners: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The CIRCLE (even if, in some cases,
some argue that a "virtual circle" will do) <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Bulletin Board </span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Market Place <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The "law of two feet" (one
of the most, if not the most important feature, from where butterflies
and bumblebees "germinate" and many conflicts
"evaporate") <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The "four principles" (as I
have promised ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>(</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST"
target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST</span></a></span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If
I were to rewrite this today, I would surely suppress the last line. But all
the other "foundations" (including the law of two feet) are
essential. If you suppress one of them you will have a meeting; but not,
IMHO, an OST meeting. But we may not talk at all about the "4
principles" and everything will happen as usual.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Best
regrsds to all</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Artur</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
--- On <b>Thu, 5/28/09, Larry Peterson <i><larry@spiritedorg.com></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Larry Peterson <larry@spiritedorg.com><br>
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?<br>
To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 5:22 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Maybe
a “foundation” is another word for how I often describe the
“principles”. I encourage people, when I open a space, to make some
assumptions about the gathering to assume what are stated as principles and
to act on that basis during the event. I think these only become
“assumed” after some evolution of consciousness and I don’t experience most
folks in organizations being there. I think it is important to
articulate them, to influence the “social construction” of the boundaries of
the OST event along with the most important part – the focus question or
theme. Yep, it may be a bit of ritualized behaviour but I think it
helps increase the possibilities what will emerge in the self-organizing
process that will happen anyway. Besides, I (we as facilitators) are
one of the “selves” in the self-organization.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Larry</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Larry
Peterson & Associates in Transformation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Toronto,
Ontario, Canada</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://us.mc546.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@spiritedorg.com"
target="_blank">larry@spiritedorg.com</a> 416.653.4829 <a
href="http://www.spiritedorg.com/" target="_blank">http://www.spiritedorg.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Artur Silva<br>
<b>Sent:</b> May-27-09 5:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Harrison,
Larry and all:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
am afraid that I continue to read only the messages from this list from
time to time...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Today,
I read this answer from Harrison to a reply from Larry to an original
comment by Harrison. The 3 messages referred are listed below, and I ask
you to <b>first read the parts of those messages</b> that I have
transformed in bold.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>(...)
Thanks for having done that ;-)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Now,
I am happy that Harrison agrees that "<b><span style='color:red'>the 4
principles and one law are neither laws nor principles actually" </span></b>and
that <b><span style='color:red'>there will come a day when The Law and The
Principles can be assigned to that wonderful status of “One more thing not
to do.”</span></b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>But
Larry commented, very wisely as usual, about </span><b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>the
importance of some form of “boundaries” or “container” for self-organization</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So,
maybe it is the appropriate time to reintroduce a discussion that I have
tried to introduce many moons ago, about what are the foundations of OST. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
mean, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>1)
if the principles are not "principles" after all, but only
what always happens, and eventually even "one more thing not to
do" (and I remember you that I have done some OST experiments without
reference to the Principles - and all went well as usual), but</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>2)
Some form of boundary or container is needed </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>where
this boundary or container does comes from? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
have proposed to call that the "foundations" (not principles) of
OST and proposed some ideas (that are only preliminary ideas) I would like
to read (again) your opinions about.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>You
can found my (preliminary) proposals, of some time ago, here </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST"
target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>and
here </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a
href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=oslist&P=R23925&I=-3&X=6543D44B5D0A7C3BC4&Y=arturfsilva%40yahoo.com"
target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://listserv.boisestate.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=oslist&P=R23925&I=-3&X=6543D44B5D0A7C3BC4&Y=arturfsilva%40yahoo.com</span></a></span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Looking
forward to hear from you all</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Warn
regards from a warm night in Lisbon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Artur</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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auto'><br>
<br>
--- On <b>Wed, 5/27/09, Harrison Owen <i><hhowen@verizon.net></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Harrison Owen <hhowen@verizon.net><br>
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST<br>
To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:23 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Right on
Larry – and I found a very curious and embarrassing typo in my small piece.
I said, “They (the Principles and the Law) are descriptive as opposed to
descriptive.” I meant to say,”They are descriptive as opposed to
prescriptive.” <strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Point
is neither the Law nor the Principles tell you what to do – they simply
alert everybody to what will be taking place no matter what.</span></strong>
I think that is a useful function, <strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>but
it really doesn’t change a thing</span></strong>. <strong><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>In short – there will come a day
when The Law and The Principles can be assigned to that wonderful status of
“One more thing not to do.”</span></strong></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Harrison </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Harrison Owen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Larry Peterson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Anti Laws of OST</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>For me, there is more sense in the “Principles and Law” than
non-sense.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Stewart
Kauffman explores <strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>the
importance of some form of “boundaries” or “container” for
self-organization</span></strong>, particularly that of cells.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> He believes (with
strong scientific evidence) that <strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>real
physical work only gets done within some “boundaries” or it dissipates</span></strong>.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Cells, he
asserts, co-create their “boundaries” with their environment through
self-organizing relationships in every moment.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> The boundaries
are permeable, constructs, open to interchange with their environment. (No
such thing as a closed system!)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Harrison, <strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I
believe you have articulated a set of socially constructed permeable
“boundaries” for enhancing human self-organization</span></strong> –
including the focus/theme, principles and law.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> These set a
temporary set of “boundaries” or a “container” both focused and open that
change the perceived conditions for self-organization at an event or
meeting.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>
Self-organization is happening all the time, in every moment.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Our mental maps
(in practice) and feelings shape what we do as we self-organize – what
topics we propose and who we connect to.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> Are they necessary for self-organization (Open Space) – no,
it is happening all the time as order emerges.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Do they (<strong><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>or other similar statements</span></strong>
about the social framework for our self-organizing) help people to
self-organize in exciting and creative ways? </span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think so.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Larry</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Larry Peterson & Associates in Transformation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harrison Owen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> May-25-09 2:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:red'>Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, <strong><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>the 4 principles and one law are
neither laws nor principles actually</span></strong>. To be honest <strong><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>they are just my (and others’)
observations of what seemed to be happening in any case</span></strong>. In
a word they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive – You could say it is
all a joke. <strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Rather
like “technology” in the phrase Open Space Technology</span></strong>. The
joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny – because somehow or
another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows
that what happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it does
– and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff – like most of
what we think we know about meetings, the management of meetings, and management
itself. Double trouble!!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:red'>Harrison</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Maryland 20854</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Phone
301-365-2093</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p align=center style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-align:center'><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Open Space Training</span><span
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<p align=center style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-align:center'><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Open Space Institute</span><span
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style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>www.openspaceworld.org</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Personal website</span><span
style='color:red'> <a href="http://www.ho-image.com/" target="_blank"><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>www.ho-image.com</span></a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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