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<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 5/28/09, Robyn Williams <I><pov@iinet.net.au></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">When I was a kid in the late sixties my folks had a record by comedian Shelley Berman. Hilarious, I loved it. He sang a ditty to the tune of “You’ve gotta have heart (buda-bom)”. The opening lyrics went something like, “You gotta have skin, it’s the only thing that keeps your insides in…”. Its wisdom has rung in my ears ever since. No wonder I’m into the practice of peace.</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cheers, Robyn</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Larry Peterson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 29 May 2009 8:22 AM<BR><B>To:</B> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-CA>Maybe a “foundation” is another word for how I often describe the “principles”. I encourage people, when I open a space, to make some assumptions about the gathering to assume what are stated as principles and to act on that basis during the event. I think these only become “assumed” after some evolution of consciousness and I don’t experience most folks in organizations being there. I think it is important to articulate them, to influence the “social construction” of the boundaries of the OST event along with the most important part – the focus question or theme. Yep, it may be a bit of ritualized behaviour but I think it helps increase the possibilities what will emerge in the self-organizing process that will happen anyway. Besides, I (we as facilitators) are one of the “selves” in the
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>I am afraid that I continue to read only the messages from this list from time to time...</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Today, I read this answer from Harrison to a reply from Larry to an original comment by Harrison. The 3 messages referred are listed below, and I ask you to <B>first read the parts of those messages</B> that I have transformed in bold.</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>(...) Thanks for having done that ;-)</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Now, I am happy that Harrison agrees that "<B><SPAN style="COLOR: red">the 4 principles and one law are neither laws nor principles actually" </SPAN></B>and that <B><SPAN style="COLOR: red">there will come a day when The Law and The Principles can be assigned to that wonderful status of “One more thing not to do.”</SPAN></B></SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>But Larry commented, very wisely as usual, about </SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-US>the importance of some form of “boundaries” or “container” for self-organization</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>. </SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>So, maybe it is the appropriate time to reintroduce a discussion that I have tried to introduce many moons ago, about what are the foundations of OST. </SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>I mean, </SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>1) if the principles are not "principles" after all, but only what always happens, and eventually even "one more thing not to do" (and I remember you that I have done some OST experiments without reference to the Principles - and all went well as usual), but</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>2) Some form of boundary or container is needed </SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>where this boundary or container does comes from? </SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>I have proposed to call that the "foundations" (not principles) of OST and proposed some ideas (that are only preliminary ideas) I would like to read (again) your opinions about.</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>You can found my (preliminary) proposals, of some time ago, here </SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Looking forward to hear from you all</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Warn regards from a warm night in Lisbon</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 5/27/09, Harrison Owen <I><hhowen@verizon.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><BR>From: Harrison Owen <hhowen@verizon.net><BR>Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST<BR>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR>Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:23 AM</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: red">Right on Larry – and I found a very curious and embarrassing typo in my small piece. I said, “They (the Principles and the Law) are descriptive as opposed to descriptive.” I meant to say,”They are descriptive as opposed to prescriptive.” <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">Point is neither the Law nor the Principles tell you what to do – they simply alert everybody to what will be taking place no matter what.</SPAN></STRONG> I think that is a useful function, <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">but it really doesn’t change a thing</SPAN></STRONG>. <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">In short – there will come a day when The Law and The Principles can be assigned to that wonderful status of “One more thing not to do.”</SPAN></STRONG></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Larry Peterson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:44 AM<BR><B>To:</B> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Anti Laws of OST</SPAN></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">For me, there is more sense in the “Principles and Law” than non-sense.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> Stewart Kauffman explores <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">the importance of some form of “boundaries” or “container” for self-organization</SPAN></STRONG>, particularly that of cells.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> He believes (with strong scientific evidence) that <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">real physical work only gets done within some “boundaries” or it dissipates</SPAN></STRONG>.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d;
FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> Cells, he asserts, co-create their “boundaries” with their environment through self-organizing relationships in every moment.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> The boundaries are permeable, constructs, open to interchange with their environment. (No such thing as a closed system!)</SPAN></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Harrison, <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">I believe you have articulated a set of socially constructed permeable “boundaries” for enhancing human self-organization</SPAN></STRONG> – including the focus/theme, principles and law.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> These set a temporary set of “boundaries” or a “container” both focused and open that change the perceived conditions for self-organization at an event or meeting.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> Self-organization is happening all the time, in every moment.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d;
FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> Our mental maps (in practice) and feelings shape what we do as we self-organize – what topics we propose and who we connect to.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> Are they necessary for self-organization (Open Space) – no, it is happening all the time as order emerges.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> Do they (<STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">or other similar statements</SPAN></STRONG> about the social framework for our self-organizing) help people to self-organize in exciting and creative ways? </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Harrison Owen<BR><B>Sent:</B> May-25-09 2:59 PM<BR><B>To:</B> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: red">Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">the 4 principles and one law are neither laws nor principles actually</SPAN></STRONG>. To be honest <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">they are just my (and others’) observations of what seemed to be happening in any case</SPAN></STRONG>. In a word they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive – You could say it is all a joke. <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">Rather like “technology” in the phrase Open Space Technology</SPAN></STRONG>. The joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny – because somehow or another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it does – and that makes a joke out of a
whole mess of other stuff – like most of what we think we know about meetings, the management of meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!!</SPAN></DIV>
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