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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Pat:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I agree with you completely. I was not trying to suggest that
there had been a breach of etiquette. I did, however, feel that there was a bit
of a dismissive tone to some of the responses and so I was replying to what I
saw as that tone. Perhaps I overreacted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Esther<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pat Black<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 15, 2009 9:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSLIST] list etiquette<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Esther and all who have chimed in here,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have been reading the threads knotted together here and
have a thought to add. I don't think the issue here is the word
etiquette. The thread diverged around the original subject line
Open Space Opened Badly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> "<span
class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
can just say in my own case, that I just had so much difficulty
seeing myself being part of a session called "Open Space defined
badly" that I created a new one...</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
think everyone understands the efficiency of keeping the same subject line for
the same thread. Seems to me that people intentionally change it as
the subject changes over time or in Raffi's case because he didn't want to sign
on to the original tone. This is not an IT list this is the OST list.
There was no breach of etiquette for the OST list. This was to
accommodate Kaliya's preference, no matter how efficient and sensible that
preference is, it is still a preference. People prioritize their
preferences by different needs. For me it is important to leave space for
lots of different dances. I learn new steps that way. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Pat
Black</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Esther Ewing <<a
href="mailto:ewingchange@gmail.com">ewingchange@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hi all:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>When we think about it, and as
we think about it, I think we should try to honor (or honour) Kaliya’s request.
One of the things that I have noticed on this list is how welcoming we are to
newcomers and how often, they post a request for information that has been
discussed a lot in the past. No one seems to mind reposting links to various
kinds of information that has been posted before and we are quick to suggest
that they go to various websites and search for past threads. In fact we are
very generous with this. How much easier might it be if we kept our subject
lines consistent with the topic that inspires them?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The reaction against this might
have to do with the word “etiquette”. The word’s history is described in the
Shorter Oxford English Dictionary where it suggests a routine, a procedure and
even the mechanism or ticket by which a French soldier might find his billet.
It then comes to mean something that represents honour (or honor) and a
sign that someone knows how to do something (usually someone in the French
court and therefore upper classes).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>In our North American and
indeed Western and more modern view of things, the word “etiquette” has grown
to mean the rules of correct behaviour (or behavior) and that implies that
someone or some authority is trying to impose those rules (in my youth it was
my parents, now it is largely my own conscience, but also the law) and in a
kind of way, Open Space was formed to get around formerly binding and
constricting conventions and get rid of as many rules as we could in order to
allow people to self-organize. But OS is not lawless. There are rules and
principles that allow for OS to flourish.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>In my humble opinion, we should
honour (or honor) Kaliya’s request. I do not think it is an unreasonable one
nor do I think she is trying to impose anything. And it is simply a request.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>My two cents…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Esther</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> OSLIST [mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kaliya
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 15, 2009 1:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSLIST] list etiquette</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>FINE!<br>
<br>
You guys can have your own "reality" of list etiquette. <br>
I live in the tech world....and people work and do business and change the
world developing common standards and work via mailing lists.<br>
<br>
Keeping threads clear and not dividing them is an important part of helping
these communities function and work together. It is like having a session that
is going well and then for no apparent reason dividing it into multiple
sessions mid way through......not cool (this is assuming the conversation is
coherent and going well)<br>
<br>
While you all are SO focused on face to face processes of OST (and other things)
you are forgetting that some have develped amazing cultures and learning for
connecting and sharing online. It is from these practices and sharing that I
make this request. <br>
<br>
I make a simple request that is not specific to "your" list serve it
is respectful of mailing list community practice generally...I am pointing it
out so you can stop doing it. If you choose not to FINE but it is disresepctful
of the conversation and people like me who start threads only to find them
split off for no good reason....in technical communities you can have threads
that are 80+ posts long this is good cause if you are going back to read them
in archives or even reading them the first time in a reader like google they
all come out in order. <br>
<br>
<br>
I suggest you add a #12 to the etiquette guide about not splitting list threads
a part...<br>
<br>
Thanks. <br>
-Kaliya<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Raffi Aftandelian <<a
href="mailto:raffi@bk.ru" target="_blank">raffi@bk.ru</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Kaliya,<br>
<br>
I hear you'd like folks to follow list etiquette.<br>
<br>
("etiquette" FAQ here:<br>
<br>
<a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/wiki.cgi?FrequentlyAskedOSLISTQuestions"
target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/wiki.cgi?FrequentlyAskedOSLISTQuestions</a>)<br>
<br>
I've been on this list for some 8 years now, love it, (most of the time it's<br>
a pretty amicable place except when a few of us go off the deep end) and am<br>
not sure how much luck anyone has had for people to write or post things<br>
differently.<br>
<br>
Perhaps like herding bees?<br>
<br>
I can just say in my own case, that I just had so much difficulty seeing<br>
myself being part of a session called "Open Space defined badly" that
I<br>
created a new one...<br>
<br>
bzzzzzzzzzzzzz<br>
<br>
wormly,<br>
wroffi<br>
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