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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m enjoying this conversation. I live in an intentional “non-hierarchal”
community which has been evolving for nearly 20 years. The issue of rules,
boundaries, organic expression, self-organising has been discussed, lived,
mucked around with, fallen over, picked up and dusted off, lashed into a girdle
and stuck in the corner, released, let free, run amock, chided, behaved itself,
laughed at and taken very very seriously at various times.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My learning – semi & permeable membranes are necessary. To
be clear, I’m not talking prescriptive rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>When I was a kid in the late sixties my folks had a record by
comedian Shelley Berman. Hilarious, I loved it. He sang a ditty to the tune of “You’ve
gotta have heart (buda-bom)”. The opening lyrics went something like, “You
gotta have skin, it’s the only thing that keeps your insides in…”. Its wisdom
has rung in my ears ever since. No wonder I’m into the practice of peace.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers, Robyn<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Robyn Williams</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>POV Communication for Sustainability</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>M: 0424 587 262</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>E: </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:pov@iinet.net.au"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:blue'>pov@iinet.net.au</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Larry Peterson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 29 May 2009 8:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Maybe a “foundation” is another word for how I often describe
the “principles”. I encourage people, when I open a space, to make some
assumptions about the gathering to assume what are stated as principles and to
act on that basis during the event. I think these only become “assumed”
after some evolution of consciousness and I don’t experience most folks in
organizations being there. I think it is important to articulate them, to
influence the “social construction” of the boundaries of the OST event along
with the most important part – the focus question or theme. Yep, it may
be a bit of ritualized behaviour but I think it helps increase the
possibilities what will emerge in the self-organizing process that will happen
anyway. Besides, I (we as facilitators) are one of the “selves” in the
self-organization.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Larry Peterson & Associates in Transformation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Toronto, Ontario, Canada<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:larry@spiritedorg.com"><span style='color:blue'>larry@spiritedorg.com</span></a>
416.653.4829 <a href="http://www.spiritedorg.com/"><span style='color:blue'>http://www.spiritedorg.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Artur Silva<br>
<b>Sent:</b> May-27-09 5:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Harrison,
Larry and all:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
am afraid that I continue to read only the messages from this list from time
to time...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Today,
I read this answer from Harrison to a reply from Larry to an original comment
by Harrison. The 3 messages referred are listed below, and I ask you to <b>first
read the parts of those messages</b> that I have transformed in bold.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>(...)
Thanks for having done that ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Now,
I am happy that Harrison agrees that "<b><span style='color:red'>the 4
principles and one law are neither laws nor principles actually" </span></b>and
that <b><span style='color:red'>there will come a day when The Law and The
Principles can be assigned to that wonderful status of “One more thing not to
do.”</span></b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>But
Larry commented, very wisely as usual, about </span><b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>the importance of
some form of “boundaries” or “container” for self-organization</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So,
maybe it is the appropriate time to reintroduce a discussion that I have
tried to introduce many moons ago, about what are the foundations of OST. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
mean, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>1)
if the principles are not "principles" after all, but only
what always happens, and eventually even "one more thing not to do"
(and I remember you that I have done some OST experiments without reference
to the Principles - and all went well as usual), but</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>2)
Some form of boundary or container is needed <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>where
this boundary or container does comes from? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
have proposed to call that the "foundations" (not principles) of
OST and proposed some ideas (that are only preliminary ideas) I would like to
read (again) your opinions about.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>You
can found my (preliminary) proposals, of some time ago, here <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST"><span
lang=EN-US>http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>and
here </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a
href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=oslist&P=R23925&I=-3&X=6543D44B5D0A7C3BC4&Y=arturfsilva%40yahoo.com"><span
lang=EN-US>http://listserv.boisestate.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=oslist&P=R23925&I=-3&X=6543D44B5D0A7C3BC4&Y=arturfsilva%40yahoo.com</span></a></span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Looking
forward to hear from you all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Warn
regards from a warm night in Lisbon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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--- On <b>Wed, 5/27/09, Harrison Owen <i><hhowen@verizon.net></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Harrison Owen <hhowen@verizon.net><br>
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST<br>
To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:23 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Right on Larry – and I
found a very curious and embarrassing typo in my small piece. I said, “They
(the Principles and the Law) are descriptive as opposed to descriptive.” I
meant to say,”They are descriptive as opposed to prescriptive.” <strong><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Point is neither the Law nor the
Principles tell you what to do – they simply alert everybody to what will be
taking place no matter what.</span></strong> I think that is a useful
function, <strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>but it
really doesn’t change a thing</span></strong>. <strong><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>In short – there will come a day
when The Law and The Principles can be assigned to that wonderful status of
“One more thing not to do.”</span></strong></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Harrison </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Harrison Owen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>7808 River Falls Drive</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Potomac, Maryland
20854</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Phone 301-365-2093</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Skype hhowen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:red'>Open Space Training</span><span style='color:red'> <a
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<p align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:red'>Personal website</span><span style='color:red'> <a
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Larry
Peterson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Anti Laws of OST</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>For me, there is more sense in the “Principles and Law” than
non-sense.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>
Stewart Kauffman explores <strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>the
importance of some form of “boundaries” or “container” for self-organization</span></strong>,
particularly that of cells.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> He
believes (with strong scientific evidence) that <strong><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>real physical work only gets done
within some “boundaries” or it dissipates</span></strong>.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Cells, he asserts,
co-create their “boundaries” with their environment through self-organizing
relationships in every moment.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> The boundaries are permeable, constructs, open to interchange
with their environment. (No such thing as a closed system!)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Harrison, <strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I
believe you have articulated a set of socially constructed permeable
“boundaries” for enhancing human self-organization</span></strong> –
including the focus/theme, principles and law.</span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> These set a temporary set of
“boundaries” or a “container” both focused and open that change the perceived
conditions for self-organization at an event or meeting.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Self-organization
is happening all the time, in every moment.</span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Our mental maps (in practice) and
feelings shape what we do as we self-organize – what topics we propose and
who we connect to.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>
Are they necessary for self-organization (Open Space) – no, it is happening
all the time as order emerges.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> Do they (<strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>or
other similar statements</span></strong> about the social framework for our
self-organizing) help people to self-organize in exciting and creative ways? </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think so.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Larry</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Larry Peterson & Associates in Transformation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Toronto, Ontario, Canada</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://us.mc546.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@spiritedorg.com"
target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>larry@spiritedorg.com</span></a></span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
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416.653.4829 <a href="http://www.spiritedorg.com/" target="_blank"><span
style='color:blue'>http://www.spiritedorg.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harrison Owen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> May-25-09 2:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Just
to render the whole thing non-sensical, <strong><span style='font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'>the 4 principles and one law are neither laws nor
principles actually</span></strong>. To be honest <strong><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>they are just my (and others’)
observations of what seemed to be happening in any case</span></strong>. In a
word they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive – You could say it is all
a joke. <strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Rather like
“technology” in the phrase Open Space Technology</span></strong>. The joke,
however turned out to be outrageously funny – because somehow or another
truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that what
happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it does – and that
makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff – like most of what we think
we know about meetings, the management of meetings, and management itself.
Double trouble!!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Harrison</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Owen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Potomac,
Maryland 20854</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Phone
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