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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Bui – I think you could extend your
observation to include all serious human endeavors. Rule making is like map
making, both occur after the fact and must never be confused with the primal
reality. In the beginning was the territory.</span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Harrison</span></font></p>
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<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Harrison Owen</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>7808 River Falls Drive</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Potomac, Maryland 20854</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Phone </span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>301-365-2093</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Skype hhowen</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Open Space Training</span></font> <a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/"><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>www.openspaceworld.com</span></font></a> </p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Open Space Institute</span></font> <a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/"><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>www.openspaceworld.org</span></font></a></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Personal website</span></font> <a
href="http://www.ho-image.com/"><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>www.ho-image.com</span></font></a>
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<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>OSLIST</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Bui Petersen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 29, 2009 3:38 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Anti Laws of OST</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Many of the
"rules" in classical music composition came after the music was
composed. The best composers have always been making up the rules as they went
along. In many ways, the rules of music composition are more descriptive than
prescriptive.<br>
<br>
Just a thought,<br>
<br>
Bui<br>
<br>
McIntosh, Carey wrote: </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"><u1:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"><u1:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="Street"><u1:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="address"><u1:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><u1:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><u1:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"><u1:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"></u1:SmartTagType></u1:SmartTagType></u1:SmartTagType></u1:SmartTagType></u1:SmartTagType></u1:SmartTagType></u1:SmartTagType></u1:SmartTagType>Traditional classical music is composed using
“rules” that relate to the harmonic properties of musical sound.
After the early 20th century, when 12-tone composition was seen to be moving
beyond the traditional constraints imposed by those harmonic properties,
composers had to make up their own rules. Igor Stravinsky (who composed during
an era when the “old rules” had been largely discredited)
apparently once said that he had to invent his own rules (or set his own
boundaries, if you will) in order to compose. The boundaries might change with
every new composition, but without boundaries he could not find creativity. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Much closer to home, I am
a vegetarian and I find that I really enjoy the creativity that comes from
cooking within the boundaries of “no meat”. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am a
“not-yet” practitioner of OS but it seems to me from what
I’ve seen on this list that the beauty of the “principles and
law” are that they set the boundaries that allow the creativity to
emerge. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Respectfully, <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Carey <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:<st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Larry Peterson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:44
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>]
Anti Laws of OST</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'>For me, there is more sense in the “Principles and Law”
than non-sense.</span></font><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> Stewart Kauffman explores the importance of
some form of “boundaries” or “container” for
self-organization, particularly that of cells.</span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d"><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> He believes (with strong scientific
evidence) that real physical work only gets done within some “boundaries”
or it dissipates.</span></font><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> Cells, he asserts, co-create their “boundaries”
with their environment through self-organizing relationships in every moment.</span></font><font
size=2 color="#1f497d"><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> The boundaries are permeable, constructs,
open to interchange with their environment. (No such thing as a closed system!)<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><st1:place u4:st="on"><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Harrison</st1:place>, I believe you have
articulated a set of socially constructed permeable “boundaries”
for enhancing human self-organization – including the focus/theme,
principles and law.</span></font><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> These set a temporary set of “boundaries”
or a “container” both focused and open that change the perceived
conditions for self-organization at an event or meeting.</span></font><font
size=2 color="#1f497d"><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> Self-organization is happening all the
time, in every moment.</span></font><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span
lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> Our mental maps (in practice) and feelings
shape what we do as we self-organize – what topics we propose and who we
connect to.</span></font><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> Are they necessary for self-organization
(Open Space) – no, it is happening all the time as order emerges.</span></font><font
size=2 color="#1f497d"><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> Do they (or other similar statements about
the social framework for our self-organizing) help people to self-organize in
exciting and creative ways? </span></font><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span
lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I think so.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'>Larry<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'>Larry Peterson & Associates in Transformation<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:City u4:st="on"><font
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font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Toronto</st1:City>, <st1:State u4:st="on">Ontario</st1:State>,
<st1:country-region u4:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region></span></font></st1:place></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
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color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:larry@spiritedorg.com" moz-do-not-send=true>larry@spiritedorg.com</a></span></font><font
size=2 color="#1f497d"><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> 416.653.4829 <a
href="http://www.spiritedorg.com/" moz-do-not-send=true>http://www.spiritedorg.com</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:<st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Harrison Owen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> May-25-09 2:59 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>]
Anti Laws of OST<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Just to render the whole
thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law are neither laws nor
principles actually. To be honest they are just my (and others’)
observations of what seemed to be happening in any case. In a word they are
descriptive as opposed to descriptive – You could say it is all a joke.
Rather like “technology” in the phrase Open Space Technology. The
joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny – because somehow or
another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that
what happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it does
– and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff – like
most of what we think we know about meetings, the management of meetings, and
management itself. Double trouble!!</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><st1:place u4:st="on"><font size=3
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Harrison</span></font></st1:place><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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color:red'>Harrison Owen</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><st1:Street u4:st="on"><st1:address u4:st="on"><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:<st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Derrick Mathews<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Anti Laws of OST</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Hi Andrew</span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles.</span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the most
important concept here)-organisation which involved participation or
non-participation which involves human choice. Even if you adopt a Doris
Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's not
ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol)
your choice to let things happen is an intervention and so you have influenced
the process making what happens the only thing that could have.</span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of
non-influence on the process and outcome so you have been involved and have
been part of the right people.</span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>What ever happens is the only thing as if you are
"involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise
if you are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a
different way and as I stated above what then happens is the only thing that
could have.</span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to start
it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has impact
and similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over via
group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is over.</span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what we
choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect all around us.</span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive way.</span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.</span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
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color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that
folks know OST has happened?</span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great group of
young people (that's anyone younger than me) from about 9 different parts
of Europe who had come together In Londonderry to be involved in an Up-cycling
project of Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. </span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>One participant selected the swimming pool as an additional
breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions with the details of
the conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water.</span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;</span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have
happened</span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Regards</span></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:<st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew Rixon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 24 May 2009 02:10<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Anti Laws of OST</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear All,</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Recently I’ve
been pondering / wondering about what might be the Anti-laws of OST.</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>For instance.</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>“What
isn’t happening are all the things that should be”</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Or</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>“What
didn’t happen are all the things that should have”</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>As opposed to…</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>“Whatever
happens is the only thing that could have or did”</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>What are your
thoughts on other “complimentary” anti-laws? </span></font><font
size=2 face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>J</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Warm regards,</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Andrew</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>--</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Andrew Rixon PhD<br>
Director<br>
Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd<br>
Skype: AndrewJRixon<br>
<st1:City u4:st="on"><st1:place u4:st="on">Mobile</st1:place></st1:City>: 0400
352 809<br>
Fax: (03) 8610 0162</span></font> <font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
Email: <a href="mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com" moz-do-not-send=true>andrew@babelfishgroup.com</a><br>
URL: <a href="http://www.babelfishgroup.com/" moz-do-not-send=true>http://www.babelfishgroup.com/</a></span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><br>
Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national conference
October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story
at a time". Download the interactive brochure <a
href="http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pdf"
moz-do-not-send=true>here</a>.</span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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