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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>For almost 25 years (OST will be 25 in 2010)
I have found that voluntary self-selection is the essential precondition for a
well functioning self-organizing system. Anything less and system function
degrades. It may not go all the way to failure, but it surely isn’t as
good as it could be. And genuine invitation is the only way to insure voluntary
self selection. So if your boss is willing to settle for less than the best,
that is certainly his choice. </span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>I guess this could sound pretty new age and
impractical – but frankly it just makes good sense to me. Especially in a
business situation with mission critical undertakings.  Honest answers to
a few questions may make the point. For example – Have you (or your boss)
ever seen someone who didn’t really care do a really good job? Or when a
group of folks are assigned to do a job, ask yourself how many actually do the
work? Usually it is some fraction of the whole. Those people feel angry and abused
because they did all the work, and the others feel guilty. Yes the job gets
done, but at the cost of no small amount of guilt and anger – neither of
which are positive aspects of a healthy work environment. All of this can be
avoided by invitation.</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Invitation and peoples’ responses to
invitation, insures that jobs are done by people who care to do them. And all
those people who could care less are effectively eliminated. Speaking just for
my self, I should infinitely prefer to have 5 people who really care as opposed
to 50 who are just along for the ride. Will the 5 always succeed? No –
but they will give it their best shot. Which is to say -- High Performance,
innovation, creativity, and just plain fun are likely characteristics of that
work environment. If your boss is happy with something less, God love him. He
would not be on my team.</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Bhavesh Patel<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Tuesday, May
 26, 2009</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: OSLIST Digest - 24
May 2009 to </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
 font-family:Tahoma'>25 May 2009</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> (#2009-133)</span></font></p>

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.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear
Harrison and friends,<br>
<br>
My Boss raised an interesting question and I would love to hear your experience
on this issue.<br>
<br>
He cited the Boeing doors example and then challenged the idea of INVITATION.
He said in a business organisation, some key people just have to be there, they
can't have a choice about coming.<br>
<br>
So I explained to him that in the Pre-OST stage, there is a lot of work done
with the Sponsor group looking at questions like that, however ultimately
people must individually choose to be there or not.<br>
<br>
So then he said well what if in the Boeing example, one of the key technicians,
essential for the whole process, decided not to turn up because he had booked a
holiday and just didn't want to miss it.<br>
<br>
This does raise an interesting question about whether people can really be free
to choose.<br>
<br>
PLEASE PLEASE share your experiences with me because having facilitated a
number of OSTs, I am convinced about how it works, and the also the deeper
aspects that emerge from it.<br>
<br>
Thanks Bhav...<br>
<br>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>There are 7 messages totalling 5666 lines in this
issue. Topics of the day: 1. anti laws 2. Anti Laws of OST (6) * *
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Mon, 25 May 2009 17:29:13 +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject: Re: anti laws Ah
yes, I never cease to marvel at the opportunities we have to "live
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On Behalf Of Raffi Aftandelian Sent: Monday, 25 May 2009 8:33 AM To: <a
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Subject: [OSLIST] anti laws andrew and all, i've sometimes pondered the
"Low of too feat": Others take responsibility for what *I* love as an
act of service or If I'm neither learning nor contributing everyone else should
leave ... and by extension-- bumblebees are those who go and sting others in as
many groups as possible. and butterflies? yes, it does jangle the senses a
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------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:43:33 +0100 From:
Derrick Mathews Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C9DD47.2E097CC0
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andrew I am unsure if you can have anti laws
with regard to the principles. First of all the process is based on
"SELF" (the most important concept here)-organisation which involved
participation or non-participation which involves human choice. Even if you
adopt a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the
future's not ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing
this song lol) your choice to let things happen is an intervention and so you
have influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could have.
If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of non-influence on the
process and outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right
people. What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved"
your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are
"involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a different
way and as I stated above what then happens is the only thing that could have.
Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to start it and you
are "involved" or "not" which still has impact and
similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over via group
consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is over. Everything is in
some way linked and interdependent and what we choose to do or not do, ripples
out to affect all around us. We just need to always endeavour to impact in a
positive way. Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.
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the most unusual places that folks know OST has happened? I recently had the
pleasure of opening space for a great group of young people (that's anyone
younger than me) from about 9 different parts of Europe who had come together
In Londonderry to be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure
which also involved a 1 day OS. One participant selected the swimming pool as
an additional breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions with
the details of the conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out
of the water. Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is
the right place/only place it could have happened Regards Derrick Why not check
out our website to view our services . <a
href="http://www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk">www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk</a>
"Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with
tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting 22
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Skype: derrick.mathews You can also find me on Facebook Facilitation |
Mentoring | Coaching | Training Open Space Technology Facilitation Helping
Organisations to Chart their Course _____ From: OSLIST [mailto:<a
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On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 To: <a
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Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently I've been pondering / wondering
about what might be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What isn't
happening are all the things that should be" Or "What didn't happen
are all the things that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever happens
is the only thing that could have or did" What are your thoughts on other
"complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon
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you can have anti laws with = regard to=20 the principles.</span></font></b></p>

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font-weight:bold'>First of all the process is based on = "SELF"=20 (the
most important concept here)-organisation which involved = participation or=20
non-participation which involves human choice.  Even if you adopt a =
Doris=20 Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the
future's = not ours=20 to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age away
knowing this song lol) = your=20 choice to let things happen is an intervention
and so you have = influenced the=20 process making what happens the only thing
that could=20 have.</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D000F;
font-weight:bold'>If you do not turn up then you have = had an=20
influence  of non-influence on the process and outcome so you have =
been=20 involved and have been part of the right = people.</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D000F;
font-weight:bold'>What ever happens is the only thing = as if you=20 are
"involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, =
likewise if you=20 are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the
dynamic in a different = way and=20 as I stated above what then happens is the
only thing that could=20 have.</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D000F;
font-weight:bold'>Likewise when it starts is because = someone made=20 a choice
to start it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has
= impact and=20 similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is
over via = group=20 consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is=20
over.</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D000F;
font-weight:bold'>Everything is in some way linked and=20 interdependent and
what we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect = all=20 around us.</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D000F;
font-weight:bold'>We just need to always endeavour to = impact in a=20 positive
way.</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D000F;
font-weight:bold'>Anyhoo, hope this adds to the=20 confusion.</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D000F;
font-weight:bold'>And on another thread, where are the = most=20 unusual
places that folks know OST has=20 happened?</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D000F;
font-weight:bold'>I recently had the pleasure of = opening space=20 for a great
group of young people (that's anyone younger than me) = from =20 about 9
different parts of </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d000f" face=3DArial><span
 style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D000F;font-weight:bold'>Europe</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d000f" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D000F;
font-weight:bold'> who had come together In </span></font></b><b><font
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 font-weight:bold'>Londonderry</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d000f"
face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D000F;font-weight:bold'>
= to be=20 involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which also =
involved a 1=20 day OS.  </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D000F;
font-weight:bold'>One participant selected the swimming = pool as=20 an
additional breakout space and it was one of the best attended = sessions
with=20 the details of the conversation recorded at the side of the pool by =
anyone out=20 of the water.</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D000F;
font-weight:bold'>Maybe the fifth unspoken principle=20 is;</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D000F;
font-weight:bold'>Where ever it happens is the right = place/only=20 place it
could have happened</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;font-weight:bold'> . 
www.DerrickMathewsCon= <a href="http://sulting.co.uk">sulting.co.uk</a>=20 </span></font></b></p>

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font-weight:bold'>"Let the=20 choices you make today, be the choices you
can live with=20 tomorrow."</span></font></b></p>

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3DTahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font face=3DTahoma><span
style='font-family:3DTahoma'> OSLIST=20 [mailto:<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew=20 Rixon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font face=3DTahoma><span style='font-family:3DTahoma'>24 May 2009</span></font><font
face=3DTahoma><span style='font-family:3DTahoma'> </span></font><font face=3DTahoma><span style='font-family:3DTahoma'>02:10</span></font><font
face=3DTahoma><span style='font-family:3DTahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>=20 <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Anti Laws of=20 OST</span></font></p>

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<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=3DArial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'>Dear=20 All,</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=3DArial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'>Recently I’ve been =
pondering /=20 wondering about what might be the Anti-laws of = OST.</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=3DArial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'>For=20 instance.</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=3DArial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'>“What isn’t =
happening are all the=20 things that should be”</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=3DArial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'>Or</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=3DArial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'>“What didn’t = happen
are all the=20 things that should have”</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=3DArial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'>As opposed=20 to…</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=3DArial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'>“Whatever happens is = the
only thing=20 that could have or did”</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=3DArial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'>What are your thoughts on =
other=20 “complimentary” anti-laws? </span></font>J</p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=3DArial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'>Warm=20 regards,</span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=3DArial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'>Andrew</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'> </span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'>--</span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=3DArial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial'>Andrew Rixon=20 PhD<br>
Director<br>
Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd<br>
Skype: = AndrewJRixon<br>
</span></font><font face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial'>Mobile</span></font><font
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Fax: (03) 8610 0162</span></font> <font face=3DArial><span style='font-family:
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Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:58:49 -0400 From: Harrison Owen Subject: Re: Anti
Laws of OST This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one = law are
neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my = (and
others') observations of what seemed to be happening in any case. In a = word
they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You could say it is all = a
joke. Rather like "technology" in the phrase Open Space Technology.
The joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny - because somehow or
another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows = that
what happens in Open Space simply can't happen. Unfortunately it does - = and
that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff - like most of what = we
think we know about meetings, the management of meetings, and management
itself. Double trouble!! =20 Harrison =20 Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive
Potomac, Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen Open Space Training = <a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a> Open Space
Institute <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org">www.openspaceworld.org</a>
Personal website <a href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</a>=20
OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the = archives
Visit: <a href="http://www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html">www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</a>
=20 -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of = Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST =20 Hi Andrew =20 I am unsure if you can have
anti laws with regard to the principles. =20 First of all the process is based
on "SELF" (the most important concept here)-organisation which
involved participation or non-participation = which involves human choice. Even
if you adopt a Doris Day approach (Que = Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will
be, the future's not ours to see, que = serra, serra, am I giving my age away
knowing this song lol) your choice to let things happen is an intervention and
so you have influenced the process making what happens the only thing that
could have. =20 If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of
non-influence = on the process and outcome so you have been involved and have
been part of = the right people. =20 What ever happens is the only thing as if
you are "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome,
likewise if you are = "involved" via no-involvement you affect the
dynamic in a different way and as I = stated above what then happens is the
only thing that could have. =20 Likewise when it starts is because someone made
a choice to start it and = you are "involved" or "not"
which still has impact and similarly it's over because there is a choice made
that it is over via group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it
is over. =20 Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what we
choose = to do or not do, ripples out to affect all around us. =20 We just need
to always endeavour to impact in a positive way. =20 Anyhoo, hope this adds to
the confusion. =20 =20
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the most unusual places that folks know = OST has happened? =20 I recently had
the pleasure of opening space for a great group of young people (that's anyone
younger than me) from about 9 different parts of Europe who had come together
In Londonderry to be involved in an = Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure
which also involved a 1 day OS. =20 =20 One participant selected the swimming
pool as an additional breakout = space and it was one of the best attended
sessions with the details of the conversation recorded at the side of the pool
by anyone out of the = water. =20 Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is; Where
ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have = happened =20 =20
Regards =20 Derrick =20 =20 =20 Why not check out our website to view our
services . <a href="http://www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk">www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk</a>
=20 =20 "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with
= tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves =20 Derrick Mathews Associates
Consulting=20 22 Bridge Street Kilkeel Co. Down BT34 4AD Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266
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Skype: derrick.mathews You can also find me on Facebook =20 Facilitation |
Mentoring | Coaching | Training Open Space Technology Facilitation =20 Helping
Organisations to Chart their Course =20 =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: OSLIST
[mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, =20 Recently I've been pondering /
wondering about what might be the = Anti-laws of OST. =20 For instance. =20
"What isn't happening are all the things that should be" =20 Or =20
"What didn't happen are all the things that should have" =20 As
opposed to. =20 "Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or
did" =20 What are your thoughts on other "complimentary"
anti-laws? :-) =20 Warm regards, Andrew =20 -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel
Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610
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neither laws nor principles actually. = To be honest they are just my (and
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Technology. The joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny –
because somehow or another truth broke = through. We are in serious trouble!
Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space = simply can’t happen.
Unfortunately it does – and that makes a joke = out of a whole mess of
other stuff – like most of what we think we know = about meetings, the
management of meetings, and management itself. Double = trouble!!</span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

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 face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0'>Harrison</span></font></p>

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 style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'>Harrison</span></font><font
color="#3d0ed0"><span style='color:#3D0ED0'> = Owen</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'>7808 </span></font><font color="#3d0ed0"><span
  style='color:#3D0ED0'>River</span></font><font color="#3d0ed0"><span
 style='color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font><font color="#3d0ed0"><span
  style='color:#3D0ED0'>Falls</span></font><font color="#3d0ed0"><span
style='color:#3D0ED0'> = Drive</span></font></p>

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  style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'>Potomac</span></font><font
 color="#3d0ed0"><span style='color:#3D0ED0'>, </span></font><font
  color="#3d0ed0"><span style='color:#3D0ED0'>Maryland</span></font><font
 color="#3d0ed0"><span style='color:#3D0ED0'>   </span></font><font
  color="#3d0ed0"><span style='color:#3D0ED0'>20854</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'>Phone = </span></font><font
color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0'>301-365-2093</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'>Skype = hhowen</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'>Open Space = Training </span></font><font
color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0'>www.openspaceworld.com</span></font><font
color="#3d0ed0"><span style='color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'>Open Space = Institute </span></font><font
color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0'>www.openspaceworld.org</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'>Personal = website </span></font><font
color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0'>www.ho-image.com</span></font><font
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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'>-----Original
= Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST [mailto:<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Derrick Mathews<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 25, = 2009 </span></font><font color="#3d0ed0"><span style='color:#3D0ED0'>9:44 AM</span></font><font
color="#3d0ed0"><span style='color:#3D0ED0'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> = <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Anti Laws of = OST</span></font></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>Hi Andrew</span></font></b></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the =
principles.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the
most important concept here)-organisation which involved participation or
non-participation = which involves human choice.  Even if you adopt a
Doris Day approach (Que = Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's
not ours to see, que = serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song
lol) your choice to let = things happen is an intervention and so you have
influenced the process making = what happens the only thing that could have.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>If you do not turn up then you have had an influence  of
non-influence on = the process and outcome so you have been involved and have
been part of the = right people.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>What ever happens is the only thing as if you are
"involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise
if you are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a
= different way and as I stated above what then happens is the only thing that
could = have.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to
start it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has
impact and = similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over
via group = consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is = over.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what
we choose to do or not = do, ripples out to affect all around us.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive =
way.</span></font></b></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.</span></font></b></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>   = ;   
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------------------------------</span></font></b><font
color="#3d0ed0"><span style='color:#3D0ED0'>= </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>And on another thread, where are the most unusual
places that folks know = OST has happened?</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great
group of young = people (that's anyone younger than me) from  about 9
different parts of = </span></font></b><b><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
 style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold'>Europe</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'> who had come together In </span></font></b><b><font
 color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
 font-weight:bold'>Londonderry</span></font></b><b><font color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold'>
to be involved in an Up-cycling = project of Trash to Treasure which also
involved a 1 day OS.  = </span></font></b></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>One participant selected the swimming pool as an additional
breakout space = and it was one of the best attended sessions with the details
of the = conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the =
water.</span></font></b></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D0ED0'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could
have = happened</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>Regards</span></font></b></p>

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color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Derrick</span></font></i></b></p>

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style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> OSLIST [mailto:<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon<br>
Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10<br>
To: = <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Anti Laws of = OST</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>Dear All,</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>Recently I’ve been = pondering / wondering about what
might be the Anti-laws of OST.</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>For = instance.</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>“What isn’t = happening are all the things that
should be”</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>Or</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>“What didn’t = happen are all the things that
should have”</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>As opposed = to…</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>“Whatever happens is = the only thing that could have
or did”</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>What are your thoughts on = other “complimentary”
anti-laws? </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DWingdings><span
style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'>J</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>Warm = regards,</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:23:50 +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject: Re: Anti Laws
of OST This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks </span></font></b><b><font
 color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
 font-weight:bold'>Harrison</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0ed0"
face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'>.
I must confess that my interest really isn't in whether the 4 principles are
principles or laws. Having recently read Phil Zimbardo's time paradox I
couldn't but help to see how all 4 "principles" seem to relate to
time. One of Zimbardo's interesting writings is around how we (often without
knowing it) carry around with us a time perspective. The time perspectives he
talks about are: 1. Future (The well known westerner approach to planning and
all things about the future) 2. Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now) 3.
Present Fatalistic (It's going to happen anyway) 4. Past Positive (Gratitude)
5. Past Negative (Woe to me) Which time perspective would you choose to help
you be most "healthy" ? Zimbardo's answer is we (especially in the
west) need to be Highly Past Positive. You can even do your own assessment of
what time zone you're living in here: <a href="http://www.thetimeparadox.com/">http://www.thetimeparadox.com/</a>
Know any jokes about time? :-) Warm regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD
Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax:
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On Behalf Of Harrison Owen Sent: </span></font></b><b><font
 color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
 font-weight:bold'>Tuesday, 26 May 2009</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span
 style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'>4:59 AM</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST Just to render the whole thing
non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law are neither laws nor principles
actually. To be honest they are just my (and others') observations of what
seemed to be happening in any case. In a word they are descriptive as opposed
to descriptive - You could say it is all a joke. Rather like "technology"
in the phrase Open Space Technology. The joke, however turned out to be
outrageously funny - because somehow or another truth broke through. We are in
serious trouble! Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space simply can't
happen. Unfortunately it does - and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of
other stuff - like most of what we think we know about meetings, the management
of meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!! Harrison Harrison Owen
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On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST Hi Andrew I am unsure if you can have anti laws
with regard to the principles. First of all the process is based on
"SELF" (the most important concept here)-organisation which involved
participation or non-participation which involves human choice. Even if you
adopt a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the
future's not ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing
this song lol) your choice to let things happen is an intervention and so you
have influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could have.
If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of non-influence on the
process and outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right
people. What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved"
your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are
"involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a different
way and as I stated above what then happens is the only thing that could have.
Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to start it and you
are "involved" or "not" which still has impact and
similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over via group
consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is over. Everything is in
some way linked and interdependent and what we choose to do or not do, ripples
out to affect all around us. We just need to always endeavour to impact in a
positive way. Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------- And on another thread, where are
the most unusual places that folks know OST has happened? I recently had the
pleasure of opening space for a great group of young people (that's anyone
younger than me) from about 9 different parts of Europe who had come together
In Londonderry to be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure
which also involved a 1 day OS. One participant selected the swimming pool as
an additional breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions with
the details of the conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out
of the water. Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is
the right place/only place it could have happened Regards Derrick Why not check
out our website to view our services . <a
href="http://www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk">www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk</a>
"Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with
tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting 22
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Organisations to Chart their Course _____ From: OSLIST [mailto:<a
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On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently I've been pondering / wondering
about what might be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What isn't
happening are all the things that should be" Or "What didn't happen
are all the things that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever happens
is the only thing that could have or did" What are your thoughts on other
"complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon
PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809
Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: <a href="mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com">andrew@babelfishgroup.com</a>
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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'>I must confess that my interest = really isn’t in
whether the 4 principles are principles or = laws.</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
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<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0a00"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'>Having recently read Phil = Zimbardo’s time paradox I
couldn’t but help to see how all 4 = “principles” seem to
relate to time.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0a00"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0a00" face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>One of Zimbardo’s
interesting writings is around how we (often without knowing it) carry around
with = us a time perspective. The time perspectives he talks about are:</span></font></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><b><font
size=3 color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'>1.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>     </span></font></span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'>Future (The well known westerner approach to planning and all
things about = the future)</span></font></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><b><font
size=3 color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'>2.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>     </span></font></span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'>Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now)</span></font></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><b><font
size=3 color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'>3.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>     </span></font></span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'>Present Fatalistic (It’s going to happen = anyway)</span></font></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><b><font
size=3 color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'>4.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>     </span></font></span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'>Past Positive (Gratitude)</span></font></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><b><font
size=3 color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'>5.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>     </span></font></span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'>Past Negative (Woe to me)</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0a00"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0a00"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'>Which time perspective would you = choose to help you be most
“healthy” ?</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0a00"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'>Zimbardo’s answer is we = (especially in the west) need
to be Highly Past = Positive.</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0a00" face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>You can even do your own
assessment = of what time zone you’re living in here:</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0a00"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'>http://www.thetimeparadox.com/ </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'>Know any jokes about time? = </span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face=3DWingdings><span style='font-family:3DWingdings;
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>J</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'>Warm = regards,</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'>Andrew</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold'>Andrew Rixon PhD<br>
Director<br>
Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd<br>
Skype: AndrewJRixon<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0a00" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:
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font-weight:bold'>: 0400 352 809<br>
Fax: (03) 8610 0162 <br>
Email: andrew@babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/</span></font></b></p>

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Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national =
conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
change = one story at a time". Download the interactive brochure <a
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face=3DTahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DTahoma;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>From: = OSLIST [mailto:<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DTahoma><span
 style='font-family:3DTahoma;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'>Harrison</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0ed0" face=3DTahoma><span style='font-family:3DTahoma;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> = Owen<br>
Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0ed0"
 face=3DTahoma><span style='font-family:3DTahoma;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:
 bold'>4:59 AM</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DTahoma><span
style='font-family:3DTahoma;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'><br>
To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of = OST</span></font></b></p>

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face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles
and one law are neither laws nor = principles actually. To be honest they are
just my (and others’) observations = of what seemed to be happening in
any case. In a word they are descriptive = as opposed to descriptive –
You could say it is all a joke. Rather = like “technology” in the
phrase Open Space Technology. The joke, = however turned out to be outrageously
funny – because somehow or another = truth broke through. We are in
serious trouble! Everybody knows that what = happens in Open Space simply can’t
happen. Unfortunately it does – and = that makes a joke out of a whole
mess of other stuff – like most of = what we think we know about
meetings, the management of meetings, and management = itself. Double trouble!!</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>-----Original = Message-----<br>
From: OSLIST [mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Derrick = Mathews<br>
Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0ed0"
 face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'>9:44
 AM</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'><br>
To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST</span></font></b></p>

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face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>Hi Andrew</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the
principles.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the =
most important concept here)-organisation which involved participation or =
non-participation which involves human choice.  Even if you adopt a Doris
Day = approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's not
ours to see, = que serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol)
your choice = to let things happen is an intervention and so you have
influenced the process = making what happens the only thing that could = have.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>If you do not turn up then you have had an influence  =
of non-influence on the process and outcome so you have been involved and =
have been part of the right people.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>What ever happens is the only thing as if you are
"involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, =
likewise if you are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the =
dynamic in a different way and as I stated above what then happens is the only
thing = that could have.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to =
start it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has =
impact and similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over =
via group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is = over.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what
= we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect all around = us.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive =
way.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>Anyhoo, hope this adds to the = confusion.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>       -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------------------------------</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>= </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>And on another thread, where are the most unusual =
places that folks know OST has happened?</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great =
group of young people (that's anyone younger than me) from  about 9 =
different parts of </span></font></b><b><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
 style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold'>Europe</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'> who had come together In </span></font></b><b><font
 color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
 font-weight:bold'>Londonderry</span></font></b><b><font color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold'>
to be involved in an = Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which also
involved a 1 day OS.  = </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>One participant selected the swimming pool as an additional
breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions with the = details
of the conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the =
water.</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>Maybe the fifth unspoken principle = is;</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3dmsonormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3db00e"
face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold'>Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could
= have happened</span></font></b></p>

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face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>Regards</span></font></b></p>

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face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face="3D"John"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022John";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Derrick</span></font></i></b></p>

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face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0E00;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Why not check out our website to
view our services</span></font></i></b><b><font color="#3d0e00"
face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0E00;font-weight:bold'>
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face="3D"Times"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D000E;font-weight:bold'>"Let the choices you make today, be the
choices you can live with = tomorrow."</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Soon to be =
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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>= = </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>Derrick = Mathews Associates Consulting </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>22 Bridge = Street</span></font></b> </p>

<p class=3dquotes-quote style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 color="#3d0ed0"
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On Behalf Of Andrew = Rixon<br>
Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10<br>
To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Anti Laws of = OST</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>Dear = All,</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>Recently I’ve been = pondering / wondering about what
might be the Anti-laws of = OST.</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>For = instance.</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>“What isn’t = happening are all the things that
should be”</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>Or<= /p> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>“What didn’t = happen are all the things that
should have”</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>As opposed = to…</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>“Whatever happens is = the only thing that could have
or did”</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold'>What are your thoughts on = other “complimentary”
anti-laws? </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DWingdings><span
style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'>J</span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;
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font-weight:bold'> at </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span
 style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold'>6:23 PM</span></font></b><b><font
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--0016e64755aa2851fe046ac56dd8-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26
May 2009 09:26:25 +0800 From: Brendan McKeague Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
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quoted-printable for those living in the future it is wise to remember that...
in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday :-) At </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
 color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>07:23 AM</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b><b><font
 color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
 color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>26/05/2009</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>, Andrew Rixon wrote: >Thanks </span></font></b><b><font
 color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
 color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>Harrison</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>. > >I must confess that my interest
really isn=92t in=20 >whether the 4 principles are principles or laws. >
>Having recently read Phil Zimbardo=92s time=20 >paradox I couldn=92t but
help to see how all 4=20 >=93principles=94 seem to relate to time. > >One
of Zimbardo=92s interesting writings is around=20 >how we (often without
knowing it) carry around=20 >with us a time perspective. The time
perspectives he talks about are: > > * Future (The well known westerner
approach=20 > to planning and all things about the future) > * Present
Hedonistic (Make the most of now) > * Present Fatalistic (It=92s going to
happen anyway) > * Past Positive (Gratitude) > * Past Negative (Woe to
me) > >Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most
=93healthy=94 ? > >Zimbardo=92s answer is we (especially in the west)=20
>need to be Highly Past Positive. > >You can even do your own
assessment of what time zone you=92re living in= here: > ><a
href="http://www.thetimeparadox.com/">http://www.thetimeparadox.com/</a> >
>Know any jokes about time? J > >Warm regards, >Andrew > >--
>Andrew Rixon PhD >Director >Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd >Skype:
AndrewJRixon >Mobile: 0400 352 809 >Fax: (03) 8610 0162 >Email: <a
href="mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com">andrew@babelfishgroup.com</a> >URL: <a
href="http://www.babelfishgroup.com/">http://www.babelfishgroup.com/</a> >
>Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not=20 >to miss our national
conference October 8 and=20 >9th titled: "Celebrating Story:
Approaching=20 >change one story at a time". Download the=20
>interactive brochure=20 >here. > > >---------- >From:
OSLIST=20 >[mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Harrison Owen >Sent: </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
 color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>Tuesday, 26 May 2009</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
 color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>4:59 AM</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'> >To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
>Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST > >Just to render the whole
thing non-sensical, the=20 >4 principles and one law are neither laws nor=20
>principles actually. To be honest they are just=20 >my (and others=92)
observations of what seemed to=20 >be happening in any case. In a word they
are=20 >descriptive as opposed to descriptive =96 You=20 >could say it is
all a joke. Rather like=20 >=93technology=94 in the phrase Open Space=20
>Technology. The joke, however turned out to be=20 >outrageously funny
=96 because somehow or another=20 >truth broke through. We are in serious
trouble!=20 >Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space=20 >simply
can=92t happen. Unfortunately it does =96 and=20 >that makes a joke out of a
whole mess of other=20 >stuff =96 like most of what we think we know
about=20 >meetings, the management of meetings, and management itself.
Double= trouble!! > >Harrison > > >Harrison Owen > >7808
River Falls Drive > >Potomac, Maryland 20854 > >Phone 301-365-2093
> >Skype hhowen > >Open Space Training <a
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> >OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your=20 >options, view
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>-----Original Message----- >From: OSLIST=20 >[mailto:<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews >Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM >To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST > >Hi Andrew > >I am unsure if
you can have anti laws with regard to the principles. > >First of all the
process is based on "SELF" (the=20 >most important concept
here)-organisation which=20 >involved participation or non-participation=20
>which involves human choice. Even if you adopt=20 >a Doris Day approach
(Que Serra, Serra, whatever=20 >will be, will be, the future's not ours to
see,=20 >que serra, serra, am I giving my age away=20 >knowing this song
lol) your choice to let things=20 >happen is an intervention and so you
have=20 >influenced the process making what happens the only thing that
could have. > >If you do not turn up then you have had an=20
>influence of non-influence on the process and=20 >outcome so you have
been involved and have been part of the right people. > >What ever
happens is the only thing as if you=20 >are "involved" your
involvement changes the=20 >dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are=20
>"involved" via no-involvement you affect the=20 >dynamic in a
different way and as I stated above=20 >what then happens is the only thing
that could have. > >Likewise when it starts is because someone made=20
>a choice to start it and you are "involved" or=20
>"not" which still has impact and similarly it's=20 >over
because there is a choice made that it is=20 >over via group consensus or an
individual's choice that for them it is= over. > >Everything is in some
way linked and=20 >interdependent and what we choose to do or not=20 >do,
ripples out to affect all around us. > >We just need to always endeavour
to impact in a positive way. > >Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.
> >=20 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------------------------------------------- >And on another thread, where
are the most=20 >unusual places that folks know OST has happened? > >I
recently had the pleasure of opening space for=20 >a great group of young
people (that's anyone=20 >younger than me) from about 9 different parts=20
>of </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
 style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>Europe</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'> who had come together In </span></font></b><b><font
 color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
 color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>Londonderry</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>=20 >to be involved in an Up-cycling project
of Trash=20 >to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. > >One
participant selected the swimming pool as an=20 >additional breakout space
and it was one of the=20 >best attended sessions with the details of the=20
>conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water.
> >Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is; >Where ever it happens is
the right place/only place it could have happened > > >Regards >
>Derrick > > > >Why not check out our website to view our=20
>services=20 >.=20 ><a href="http://www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co">www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co</a>=
.uk > >"Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live
with= tomorrow." >Soon to be 2Wolves >[] > >Derrick Mathews
Associates Consulting > >22 Bridge Street > >Kilkeel >Co. Down
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>Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090 >E-Mail:=20
>derrick@derrickmathewsconsul= <a href="http://ting.co.uk">ting.co.uk</a>=20
> ><a href="http://www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk">www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk</a>
>Skype: derrick.mathews >You can also find me on Facebook >
>Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | Training > Open Space Technology
Facilitation > >Helping Organisations to Chart their Course > >
> > > >From: OSLIST [mailto:<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Andrew= Rixon >Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 >To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
>Subject: Anti Laws of OST >Dear All, > >Recently I=92ve been
pondering / wondering about=20 >what might be the Anti-laws of OST. >
>For instance. > >=93What isn=92t happening are all the things that
should be=94 > >Or > >=93What didn=92t happen are all the things
that should have=94 > >As opposed to=85 > >=93Whatever happens is
the only thing that could have or did=94 > >What are your thoughts on
other =93complimentary=94 anti-laws? J > >Warm regards, >Andrew >
>-- >Andrew Rixon PhD >Director >Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>Skype: AndrewJRixon >Mobile: 0400 352 809 >Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>Email: <a href="mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com">andrew@babelfishgroup.com</a>
>URL: <a href="http://www.babelfishgroup.com/">http://www.babelfishgroup.com/</a>
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those living in the future it is wise to remember that...<br>
<br>
in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday  <br>
:-)<br>
<br>
At </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
 style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>07:23
 AM</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
 color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>26/05/2009</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>, Andrew Rixon wrote:<br>
<br>
</span></font></b></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D0080;
font-weight:bold'>Thanks </span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0080"
 face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
 color:#3D0080;font-weight:bold'>Harrison</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0080" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0080;font-weight:bold'>.<br>
 <br>
I must confess that my interest really isn=92t in whether the 4 principles are
principles or laws.<br>
 <br>
Having recently read Phil Zimbardo=92s time paradox I couldn=92t but help to
see how all 4 =93principles=94 seem to relate to time.<br>
 <br>
One of Zimbardo=92s interesting writings is around how we (often without
knowing it) carry around with us a time perspective. The time perspectives he
talks about are:</span></font></b></p>

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color="#3d0080" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D0080'>1.<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>    
</span></font></span></font><b><font color="#3d0080" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D0080;font-weight:bold'>Future
(The well known westerner approach to planning and all things about the future)</span></font></b></p>

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face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>=20 </span></font></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3
color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D0A00'>2.<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>    
</span></font></span></font><b><font color="#3d0080" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D0080;font-weight:bold'>Present
Hedonistic (Make the most of now)</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0a00"
face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>=20 </span></font></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3
color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D0A00'>3.<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>    
</span></font></span></font><b><font color="#3d0080" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D0080;font-weight:bold'>Present
Fatalistic (It=92s going to happen anyway)</span></font></b><b><font
color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>=20 </span></font></b></p>

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color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D0A00'>4.<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>    
</span></font></span></font><b><font color="#3d0080" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D0080;font-weight:bold'>Past
Positive (Gratitude)</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0a00"
face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>=20 </span></font></b></p>

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color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D0A00'>5.<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>    
</span></font></span></font><b><font color="#3d0080" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D0080;font-weight:bold'>Past
Negative (Woe to me)</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0a00"
face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'>=20 </span></font></b></p>

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face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3D0080;font-weight:bold'> <br>
Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most =93healthy=94 ?<br>
 <br>
Zimbardo=92s answer is we (especially in the west) need to be Highly Past
Positive.<br>
 <br>
You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you=92re living in here:<br>
<br>
<a href="3D%22http:/www.thetimeparadox.com/%22">http://www.thetimeparadox.com/</a>
<br>
 <br>
Know any jokes about time? J<br>
 <br>
Warm regards,<br>
Andrew<br>
 <br>
--<br>
Andrew Rixon PhD<br>
Director<br>
Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd<br>
Skype: AndrewJRixon<br>
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To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Times"><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold'> <br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'>Just
to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law are
neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my (and
others=92) observations of what seemed to be happening in any case. In a word they
are descriptive as opposed to descriptive =96 You could say it is all a joke.
Rather like =93technology=94 in the phrase Open Space Technology. The joke,
however turned out to be outrageously funny =96 because somehow or another
truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that what
happens in Open Space simply can=92t happen. Unfortunately it does =96 and that
makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff =96 like most of what we think
we know about meetings, the management of meetings, and management itself.
Double trouble!!<br>
 <br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
 style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'>Harrison</span></font></b><b><font
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From: OSLIST [<a href="3D%22mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%22">
mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews<br>
Sent: </span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Tahoma""><span
 style='font-family:"3D\0022Tahoma\0022";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'>Monday,
 May 25, 2009</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Tahoma""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Tahoma\0022";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Tahoma""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Tahoma\0022";
 color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'>9:44 AM</span></font></b><b><font
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color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'><br>
To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Times"><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'> <br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d00ff" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D00FF;font-weight:bold'>Hi
Andrew<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Times"><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'> <br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d00ff" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D00FF;font-weight:bold'>I am
unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles.<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Times"><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'> <br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d00ff" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D00FF;font-weight:bold'>First
of all the process is based on "SELF" (the most important concept
here)-organisation which involved participation or non-participation which
involves human choice.  Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach (Que Serra,
Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours to see, que serra,
serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) your choice to let things
happen is an intervention and so you have influenced the process making what
happens the only thing that could have.<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Times"><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'> <br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d00ff" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D00FF;font-weight:bold'>If
you do not turn up then you have had an influence  of non-influence on the
process and outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right people.<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Times"><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'> <br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d00ff" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D00FF;font-weight:bold'>What
ever happen= s is the only thing as if you are "involved" your
involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are
"involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a different
way and as I stated above what then happens is the only thing that could have.<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Times"><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'> <br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d00ff" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D00FF;font-weight:bold'>Likewise
when it starts is because someone made a choice to start it and you are
"involved" or "not" which still has impact and similarly
it's over because there is a choice made that it is over via group consensus or
an individual's choice that for them it is over.<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Times"><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'> <br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d00ff" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D00FF;font-weight:bold'>Everything
is in some way linked and interdependent and what we choose to do or not do,
ripples out to affect all around us.<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Times"><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'> <br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d00ff" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D00FF;font-weight:bold'>We
just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive way.<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Times"><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'> <br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d00ff" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D00FF;font-weight:bold'>Anyhoo,
hope thi= s adds to the confusion.<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Times"><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'> <br>
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style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D00FF;font-weight:bold'>      
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And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that folks know OST
has happened?<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Times"><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold'> <br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d00ff" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D00FF;font-weight:bold'>I
recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great group of young people
(that's anyone younger than me) from  about 9 different parts of Europe
who had come together In Londonderry to be involved in an Up-cycling project of
Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS.  <br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Times"><span
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</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d00ff" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D00FF;font-weight:bold'>One
participant selected the swimming pool as an additional breakout space and it
was one of the best attended sessions with the details of the conversation
recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water.<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Times"><span
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</span></font></b><b><font color="#3d00ff" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3D00FF;font-weight:bold'>Maybe
the fifth unspoken principle is;<br>
Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have happened<br>
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color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>From: OSLIST [<a
href="3D%22mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%22">
mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon<br>
Sent: </span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Tahoma""><span
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 color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>02:10</span></font></i></b><b><i><font
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To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Anti Laws of OST<br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span
style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'>Dear All,<br>
 <br>
Recently I=92ve been pondering / wondering about what might be the Anti-laws of
OST.<br>
 <br>
For instance.<br>
 <br>
=93What isn=92t happening are all the things that should be=94<br>
 <br>
Or<br>
 <br>
=93What didn=92t happen are all the things that should have=94<br>
 <br>
As opposed to=85<br>
 <br>
=93Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did=94<br>
 <br>
What are your thoughts on other =93complimentary=94 anti-laws? J<br>
 <br>
Warm regards,<br>
Andrew<br>
 <br>
--<br>
Andrew Rixon PhD<br>
Director<br>
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Tue, 26 May 2009 11:51:33 +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject: Re: Anti Laws of
OST This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep! Love that
one. And I think the "Whatever didn't happen are all the things that
should be" is pretty indicative of someone living in the future. Of course
it couldn't possibly be me. :-) Warm regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD
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On Behalf Of Brendan McKeague Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 11:26 AM To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST for those living in the future it is
wise to remember that... in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday :-) At </span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
 color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>07:23 AM</span></font></i></b><b><i><font
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color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> </span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
 color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>26/05/2009</span></font></i></b><b><i><font
color="#3dff00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>, Andrew Rixon wrote: Thanks </span></font></i></b><b><i><font
 color="#3dff00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
 color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Harrison</span></font></i></b><b><i><font
color="#3dff00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>. I must confess that my interest
really isn't in whether the 4 principles are principles or laws. Having
recently read Phil Zimbardo's time paradox I couldn't but help to see how all 4
"principles" seem to relate to time. One of Zimbardo's interesting
writings is around how we (often without knowing it) carry around with us a
time perspective. The time perspectives he talks about are: 1. Future (The well
known westerner approach to planning and all things about the future) 2.
Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now) 3. Present Fatalistic (It's going to
happen anyway) 4. Past Positive (Gratitude) 5. Past Negative (Woe to me) Which
time perspective would you choose to help you be most "healthy" ?
Zimbardo's answer is we (especially in the west) need to be Highly Past Positive.
You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you're living in here: <a
href="http://www.thetimeparadox.com/">http://www.thetimeparadox.com/</a> Know
any jokes about time? :-) Warm regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director
Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03)
8610 0162 Email: <a href="mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com">andrew@babelfishgroup.com</a>
URL: <a href="http://www.babelfishgroup.com/">http://www.babelfishgroup.com/</a>
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mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Harrison Owen Sent: </span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
 color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Tuesday, 26 May 2009</span></font></i></b><b><i><font
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color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> </span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3dff00" face="3D"Wingdings""><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Wingdings\0022";
 color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>4:59 AM</span></font></i></b><b><i><font
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color:#3DFF00;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST Just to render the whole thing
non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law are neither laws nor principles
actually. To be honest they are just my (and others') observations of what
seemed to be happening in any case. In a word they are descriptive as opposed
to descriptive - You could say it is all a joke. Rather like
"technology" in the phrase Open Space Technology. The joke, however
turned out to be outrageously funny - because somehow or another truth broke
through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that what happens in Open
Space simply can't happen. Unfortunately it does - and that makes a joke out of
a whole mess of other stuff - like most of what we think we know about
meetings, the management of meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!!
Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20854 Phone
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-----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [ mailto:<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST Hi Andrew I am unsure if you can have anti laws
with regard to the principles. First of all the process is based on
"SELF" (the most important concept here)-organisation which involved
participation or non-participation which involves human choice. Even if you
adopt a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the
future's not ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing
this song lol) your choice to let things happen is an intervention and so you
have influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could have.
If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of non-influence on the
process and outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right
people. What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved"
your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are
"involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a different
way and as I stated above what then happens is the only thing that could have.
Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to start it and you
are "involved" or "not" which still has impact and similarly
it's over because there is a choice made that it is over via group consensus or
an individual's choice that for them it is over. Everything is in some way
linked and interdependent and what we choose to do or not do, ripples out to
affect all around us. We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive
way. Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.
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the most unusual places that folks know OST has happened? I recently had the
pleasure of opening space for a great group of young people (that's anyone
younger than me) from about 9 different parts of Europe who had come together
In Londonderry to be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure
which also involved a 1 day OS. One participant selected the swimming pool as
an additional breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions with
the details of the conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out
of the water. Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is
the right place/only place it could have happened Regards Derrick Why not check
out our website to view our services . <a
href="http://www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk">www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk</a>
"Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with
tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves [] Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting 22
Bridge Street Kilkeel Co. Down BT34 4AD Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591 Fax: + 44
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<a href="http://www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk">www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk</a>
Skype: derrick.mathews You can also find me on Facebook Facilitation |
Mentoring | Coaching | Training Open Space Technology Facilitation Helping
Organisations to Chart their Course From: OSLIST [ mailto:<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>
Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently I've been pondering / wondering
about what might be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What isn't
happening are all the things that should be" Or "What didn't happen
are all the things that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever happens
is the only thing that could have or did" What are your thoughts on other
"complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon
PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809
Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: <a href="mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com">andrew@babelfishgroup.com</a>
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Director<br>
Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd<br>
Skype: AndrewJRixon<br>
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Fax: (03) 8610 0162</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0a00"
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Email: andrew@babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/</span></font></i></b></p>

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To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of = OST</span></font></i></b></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3D0A00;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>for those living in the future it is wise to remember =
that...<br>
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in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday  <br>
:-)<br>
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At </span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Times"><span
 style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold;font-style:
 italic'>07:23 AM</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0a00"
face="3D"Times"><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> </span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Times"><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";color:#3D0A00;
 font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>26/05/2009</span></font></i></b><b><i><font
color="#3d0a00" face="3D"Times"><span style='font-family:"3D\0022Times";
color:#3D0A00;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>, Andrew Rixon wrote:</span></font></i></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Thanks = </span></font></i></b><b><i><font
 color="#3d0a00" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
 font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Harrison</span></font></i></b><b><i><font
color="#3d0a00" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0A00;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>.<br>
 <br>
I must confess that my interest really isn’t in whether the 4 =
principles are principles or laws.<br>
 <br>
Having recently read Phil Zimbardo’s time paradox I couldn’t = but
help to see how all 4 “principles” seem to relate to = time.<br>
 <br>
One of Zimbardo’s interesting writings is around how we (often = without
knowing it) carry around with us a time perspective. The time = perspectives he
talks about are:</span></font></i></b></p>

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size=3 color="#3d0a00" face=3DWingdings><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>    
</span></font></span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0a00"
face=3DWingdings><span style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0A00;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>Future (The = well known westerner approach to planning
and all things about the = future) </span></font></i></b></p>

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size=3 color="#3d0a00" face=3DWingdings><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>    
</span></font></span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0a00"
face=3DWingdings><span style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0A00;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>Present = Hedonistic (Make the most of now) </span></font></i></b></p>

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size=3 color="#3d0a00" face=3DWingdings><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>    
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face=3DWingdings><span style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0A00;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>Present = Fatalistic (It’s going to happen
anyway) </span></font></i></b></p>

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size=3 color="#3d0a00" face=3DWingdings><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>    
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face=3DWingdings><span style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0A00;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>Past = Positive (Gratitude) </span></font></i></b></p>

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size=3 color="#3d0a00" face=3DWingdings><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>    
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face=3DWingdings><span style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0A00;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>Past = Negative (Woe to me) </span></font></i></b></p>

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font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> <br>
Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most
“healthy” ?<br>
 <br>
Zimbardo’s answer is we (especially in the west) need to be Highly = Past
Positive.<br>
 <br>
You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you’re = living in
here:<br>
<br>
http://www.thetimeparadox.com/ <br>
 <br>
Know any jokes about time? </span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0a00"
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Warm regards,<br>
Andrew<br>
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--<br>
Andrew Rixon PhD<br>
Director<br>
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font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> OSLIST [<a
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mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen<br>
Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 </span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0a00" face=3DTahoma><span style='font-family:3DTahoma;color:#3D0A00;
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To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST<br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0a00" face=3DWingdings><span
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</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Just
to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law are =
neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my (and =
others’) observations of what seemed to be happening in any case. In a
word they = are descriptive as opposed to descriptive – You could say it
is all a = joke. Rather like “technology” in the phrase Open Space
= Technology. The joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny –
because = somehow or another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble!
Everybody knows = that what happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately
it = does – and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff
– = like most of what we think we know about meetings, the management of
= meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!!<br>
 <br>
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From: OSLIST [<a href="3D%22mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%22">
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To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST<br>
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style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> <br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Hi
Andrew<br>
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style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> <br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>I
am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to = the principles.<br>
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style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> <br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>First
of all the process is based on "SELF" = (the most important concept
here)-organisation which involved participation = or non-participation which
involves human choice.  Even if you adopt a = Doris Day approach (Que
Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's = not ours to see, que serra,
serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song = lol) your choice to let
things happen is an intervention and so you have = influenced the process
making what happens the only thing that could have.<br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DWingdings><span
style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> <br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>If
you do not turn up then you have had an = influence  of non-influence on
the process and outcome so you have been involved and = have been part of the
right people.<br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DWingdings><span
style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> <br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>What
ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved" your
involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, = likewise if you are
"involved" via no-involvement you affect the = dynamic in a different
way and as I stated above what then happens is the only thing = that could
have.<br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DWingdings><span
style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> <br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Likewise
when it starts is because someone made a = choice to start it and you are
"involved" or "not" which still = has impact and similarly
it's over because there is a choice made that it is = over via group consensus
or an individual's choice that for them it is = over.<br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DWingdings><span
style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> <br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Everything
is in some way linked and interdependent = and what we choose to do or not do, ripples
out to affect all around us.<br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DWingdings><span
style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> <br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>We
just need to always endeavour to impact in a = positive way.<br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DWingdings><span
style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> <br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Anyhoo,
hope this adds to the confusion.<br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DWingdings><span
style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> <br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>      
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And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that folks know = OST
has happened?<br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DWingdings><span
style='font-family:3DWingdings;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> <br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>I
recently had the pleasure of opening space for a = great group of young people
(that's anyone younger than me) from  about 9 different parts of </span></font></i></b><b><i><font
 color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
 font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Europe</span></font></i></b><b><i><font
color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> who had come together In </span></font></i></b><b><i><font
 color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
 font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Londonderry</span></font></i></b><b><i><font
color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> to be = involved in an Up-cycling project
of Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS.  <br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DWingdings><span
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</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>One
participant selected the swimming pool as an = additional breakout space and it
was one of the best attended sessions with the = details of the conversation
recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the = water.<br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DWingdings><span
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</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3db00e" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3DB00E;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Maybe
the fifth unspoken principle is;<br>
Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have = happened<br>
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face=3DTahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:3DTahoma;color:#3D0ED0;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>From: = OSLIST [<a
href="3D%22mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%22">
mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon<br>
Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10<br>
To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Anti Laws of = OST<br>
</span></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#3d0ed0" face=3DArial><span
style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Dear
All,<br>
 <br>
Recently I’ve been pondering / wondering about what might be the
Anti-laws of OST.<br>
 <br>
For instance.<br>
 <br>
“What isn’t happening are all the things that should = be”<br>
 <br>
Or<br>
 <br>
“What didn’t happen are all the things that should = have”<br>
 <br>
As opposed to…<br>
 <br>
“Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or = did”<br>
 <br>
What are your thoughts on other “complimentary” anti-laws? = </span></font></i></b><b><i><font
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style='font-family:3DArial;color:#3D0ED0;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> <br>
Warm regards,<br>
Andrew<br>
 <br>
--<br>
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Director<br>
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