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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yep! Love that one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And I think the “Whatever didn’t
happen are all the things that should be” is pretty indicative of someone
living in the future.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Of course it couldn’t possibly be
me. </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><br>
<br>
Warm regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>--</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Andrew Rixon PhD<br>
Director<br>
Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd<br>
Skype: AndrewJRixon<br>
Mobile: 0400 352 809<br>
Fax: (03) 8610 0162</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><br>
Email: <a href="mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com">andrew@babelfishgroup.com</a><br>
URL: <a href="http://www.babelfishgroup.com/">http://www.babelfishgroup.com/</a></span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><br>
Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national conference
October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story
at a time". Download the interactive brochure <a
href="http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pdf">here</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Brendan McKeague<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 26 May 2009 11:26
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>] Anti Laws of OST</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>for those living in the future it is wise to remember that...<br>
<br>
in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday <br>
:-)<br>
<br>
At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks <st1:place
w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>.<br>
<br>
I must confess that my interest really isn’t in whether the 4 principles
are principles or laws.<br>
<br>
Having recently read Phil Zimbardo’s time paradox I couldn’t but
help to see how all 4 “principles” seem to relate to time.<br>
<br>
One of Zimbardo’s interesting writings is around how we (often without
knowing it) carry around with us a time perspective. The time perspectives he
talks about are:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Future (The well
known westerner approach to planning and all things about the future)</span></font>
<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Present Hedonistic
(Make the most of now)</span></font> <o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Present Fatalistic
(It’s going to happen anyway)</span></font> <o:p></o:p></li>
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mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Past Positive
(Gratitude)</span></font> <o:p></o:p></li>
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mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Past Negative (Woe
to me)</span></font> <o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <br>
Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most
“healthy” ?<br>
<br>
Zimbardo’s answer is we (especially in the west) need to be Highly Past
Positive.<br>
<br>
You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you’re living in
here:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.thetimeparadox.com/">http://www.thetimeparadox.com/</a> <br>
<br>
Know any jokes about time? </span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <br>
Warm regards,<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
--<br>
Andrew Rixon PhD<br>
Director<br>
Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd<br>
Skype: AndrewJRixon<br>
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Mobile</st1:place></st1:City>: 0400
352 809<br>
Fax: (03) 8610 0162</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><br>
Email: <a href="mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com">andrew@babelfishgroup.com</a>
<br>
URL: <a href="http://www.babelfishgroup.com/">http://www.babelfishgroup.com/</a><br>
<br>
Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national conference
October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story
at a time". Download the interactive brochure <a
href="http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pdf">here</a>.<br>
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size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> [<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" eudora=autourl>
mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Harrison Owen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>] Anti Laws of OST<br>
</span></font> <br>
<font color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>Just to
render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law are neither
laws nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my (and others’)
observations of what seemed to be happening in any case. In a word they are
descriptive as opposed to descriptive – You could say it is all a joke.
Rather like “technology” in the phrase Open Space Technology. The
joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny – because somehow or
another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that
what happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it does
– and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff – like
most of what we think we know about meetings, the management of meetings, and
management itself. Double trouble!!<br>
<br>
<st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place><br>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Harrison Owen</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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w:st="on"><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>, <st1:State w:st="on">Maryland</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode
w:st="on">20854</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=2
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Phone 301-365-2093</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=2
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Skype hhowen</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Open Space Training</span></font> <a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/"><font color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>www.openspaceworld.com</span></font></a><font
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Open Space Institute</span></font> <a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/"><font color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>www.openspaceworld.org</span></font></a><font
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>www.ho-image.com</span></font></a>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>
[<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" eudora=autourl>
mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Derrick Mathews<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Anti Laws of OST<br>
</span></font> <br>
<b><font color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue;
font-weight:bold'>Hi Andrew<br>
</span></font></b> <br>
<b><font color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue;
font-weight:bold'>I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the
principles.<br>
</span></font></b> <br>
<b><font color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue;
font-weight:bold'>First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the
most important concept here)-organisation which involved participation or
non-participation which involves human choice. Even if you adopt a Doris
Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's not
ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol)
your choice to let things happen is an intervention and so you have influenced
the process making what happens the only thing that could have.<br>
</span></font></b> <br>
<b><font color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue;
font-weight:bold'>If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of
non-influence on the process and outcome so you have been involved and have
been part of the right people.<br>
</span></font></b> <br>
<b><font color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue;
font-weight:bold'>What ever happens is the only thing as if you are
"involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise
if you are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a
different way and as I stated above what then happens is the only thing that
could have.<br>
</span></font></b> <br>
<b><font color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue;
font-weight:bold'>Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to
start it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has
impact and similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over
via group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is over.<br>
</span></font></b> <br>
<b><font color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue;
font-weight:bold'>Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what
we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect all around us.<br>
</span></font></b> <br>
<b><font color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue;
font-weight:bold'>We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive way.<br>
</span></font></b> <br>
<b><font color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue;
font-weight:bold'>Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.<br>
</span></font></b> <br>
<b><font color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue;
font-weight:bold'>
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And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that folks know OST
has happened?<br>
</span></font></b> <br>
<b><font color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue;
font-weight:bold'>I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great
group of young people (that's anyone younger than me) from about 9
different parts of Europe who had come together In Londonderry to be involved in
an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day
OS. <br>
</span></font></b> <br>
<b><font color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue;
font-weight:bold'>One participant selected the swimming pool as an additional
breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions with the details of
the conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water.<br>
</span></font></b> <br>
<b><font color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue;
font-weight:bold'>Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;<br>
Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have happened<br>
</span></font></b> <br>
<br>
<b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>Regards<br>
</span></font></b> <br>
<b><i><font size=4><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-weight:bold;font-style:
italic'>Derrick<br>
</span></font></i></b> <br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> [<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" eudora=autourl>
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Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew Rixon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 24 May 2009 02:10<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Anti Laws of OST<br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Dear All,<br>
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Recently I’ve been pondering / wondering about what might be the
Anti-laws of OST.<br>
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For instance.<br>
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“What isn’t happening are all the things that should be”<br>
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Or<br>
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“What didn’t happen are all the things that should have”<br>
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As opposed to…<br>
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“Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did”<br>
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What are your thoughts on other “complimentary” anti-laws? </span></font><font
size=2 face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>J<br>
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Warm regards,<br>
Andrew<br>
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