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Harrison wrote: "But let me ask you this. If not Open Space – what
would you do? Go ahead and tell me that you are going to keep in
control of the situation?"<br>
<br>
I agree. There are not many good alternatives. Except possibly an army
of facilitators trained in managing power dynamics, somethings that is
not feasible for most. I tend to think that most issues can be dealt
with in the planning process. What about people with special needs?
People with difficulty speaking, not very mobile or able to use their
feet, etc.?<br>
<br>
Bui<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="red" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: red;">Bui – Not to
worry about odd balances
of power. More often that not the “offender” (Chairman of the Board,
President, etc) will get the picture and will simply be blown away by
the rich resources
in the room. And if they are not impressed, they are the real losers.
Of
course, it may be that the Big Cheese is SO good that nobody else has
anything to
contribute – if so he/she is REALLY a looser. After all he/she is the
person who hired all those folks and if it turns out that they are all
just
plain turkeys, that does not say much for his executive ability. To say
the
least!</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="red" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: red;">But let me
ask you this. If not Open Space –
what would you do? Go ahead and tell me that you are going to keep in
control
of the situation </span></font><font color="red" face="Wingdings"><span
style="font-family: Wingdings; color: red;">J</span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> OSLIST
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Bui Petersen<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April
08, 2009
10:33 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: SV:
[OSLIST] Bad OS experiences</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="black"
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thank
you everyone for
you great and varied responses. I think I am reminded of the importance
of
preparation and of clearly assessing if OST is a good choice for the
situation.<br>
<br>
The more I think of the OS my wife participated in, the more I start to
believe
that the conditions may not have been right and the problems may have
exacerbated by the some of the modification of the format.<br>
<br>
I do have a concern about using OS situations where there are
significant power
imbalances. I'm sure it has worked such on occasions but I am also
nervous that
it may not always do that.<br>
<br>
Thanks again,<br>
<br>
Bui<br>
<br>
Thomas Herrmann wrote: </span></font></p>
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other day I had a participant in an Open
Space-meeting telling me that she had a not so good experience in
something
called Open Space – where the facilitator used an alarm-clock – I
guess to “tell” participants when “it was over” –
and on top of that the alarm went off every now and then – so it seemed
not even the alarm-clock could be managed... That participant, by the
way,
signed up for our upcoming training in October...<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="navy"
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">One thing I
do is to
provide participants with an invitation to start with a round at hte
start of
each session. That gives everyone the opportunity to use his/her voice
directly
and share what thoughts they brought to the session – why they chose to
come and also presenting their name to the workgroup. My experience is
that
this adds to the conversation and highlights that there is such
richness in the
group – straight at the start of their meeting. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="navy"
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I’ve
personally
experienced working sessions in Open Space where one or a few people in
the
group occupied the space talking and talking – and of course yes I used
my feet...<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
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face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Cheers<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="navy"
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Thomas
Herrmann<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">För </span></b>Jack Ricchiuto<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Skickat:</span></b> den 8 april
2009 22:22<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Till:</span></b> <st1:PersonName
u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
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Bad OS experiences</span></font></p>
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color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Thanks Harrison, and I resonate with the "no
bad open space"
experience because it always does in a community exactly what it can to
reveal,
heal, evoke, provoke and connect. It may not satisfy obsessions with
speed and
scale, but often delights the tenders of organic growth.<br>
<br clear="all">
With gratitude, Jack<br>
<br>
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DesigningLife.com<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="black"
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Wed,
Apr 8, 2009 at
3:36 PM, Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="black"
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">How
wonderful to return
to find BAD OPEN SPACE! I didn't know there was any,<br>
and truthfully, I never met an Open space I didn't like. But then again
I am<br>
biased. My own experience is that as long as the conditions are OK (Real<br>
business issue, voluntary self-selection, lots of diversity, lots of<br>
complexity, real passion/confusion, and a decision time of yesterday)
and<br>
the procedure followed (sit in circle, create bulletin board, open
market<br>
place, go to work) just about everything comes out perfect. Does that
mean<br>
that everybody is 100% happy? Have they ever been? -- and if not, why
now?<br>
<br>
The president of a company whose employees decided to dissolve the
company;<br>
he was un-happy. Control freaks that were sure that their way was the
only<br>
way -- they were unhappy. People who suffer from Freedom Shock pretty
well<br>
go out of their gourds. People who think so little of themselves that
they<br>
permit the blowhards of this world to brow beat them without employing
the<br>
Law of Two Feet are definitely unhappy -- and must also understand that
they<br>
alone are responsible for their misery. Neither Open Space nor anything
else<br>
will turn raving idiots into towering Einsteins for silk purses do not<br>
ordinarily come from sow's ears -- and that is a bad rap on sows!
Goodness<br>
me -- we have problems. But are those problems attributable to Open
Space?<br>
<br>
All of that said most people, most places, most of the time find the<br>
ordinary to be extraordinary, the mundane to be magnificent. Just an
average<br>
day in Open Space, relishing the wonderful world of self organization --<br>
which truthfully is the only world we have.<br>
<br>
<st1:place u4:st="on">Harrison</st1:place><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Harrison Owen<br>
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On Behalf Of Elisabeth<br>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:14 PM<br>
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Subject: Re: Bad OS experiences<br>
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I believe the key is in preparing the right question or issue.<br>
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En nombre de Larry<br>
Peterson<br>
Enviado el: miércoles, 08 de abril de 2009 10:52 a.m.<br>
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Asunto: Re: [<st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>] Bad OS
experiences<br>
<br>
Bui:<br>
<br>
In <st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:City u4:st="on">Toronto</st1:City></st1:place>,
I've also experienced some people who were not happy with their<br>
experience of open space.<br>
<br>
Some people prefer the sense that somebody is in control of a meeting<br>
(particularly in <st1:country-region u4:st="on"><st1:place u4:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region>).
Others, particularly in healthcare, who are used<br>
to dominating get upset when they are not able to do that.<br>
<br>
To me a critical component is the preparation of the sponsor by the<br>
facilitator. This is especially important in smaller groups from my<br>
experience. How they frame the space that is opened before the
facilitator<br>
asks the question has a big impact on the sense of freedom that
participants<br>
have or do not have. It is also important to have enough time in open
space<br>
to get beyond the usual suspects shaping the discussion particularly
when<br>
the culture of the group has not encouraged participation in the past.<br>
<br>
Certainly the setup of the room and the breakout spaces particularly in<br>
smaller group have a real impact. A clear articulation of be done with
the<br>
results is also critical.<br>
<br>
I have led many open space events of 15 or fewer people that were
lively,<br>
new ideas emerging, new leadership surfacing, over six hours to two
days.<br>
Some individuals, however, are not quite ready to be full participants
in<br>
riding waves. They only find this out in the experience of open space.<br>
<br>
Larry<br>
<br>
<br>
Larry Peterson & Associates in Transformation<br>
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On Behalf Of Bui<br>
Petersen<br>
Sent: April-08-09 10:11 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
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Subject: [<st1:PersonName u4:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>] Bad OS
experiences<br>
<br>
Hi everyone,<br>
<br>
Having almost settled in living in <st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:City
u4:st="on">St.
John's</st1:City>, <st1:State u4:st="on">Newfoundland</st1:State></st1:place>,
I am<br>
looking for opportunities to open space. It is a slow process to<br>
introduce something that people are not familiar with, especially as I<br>
am new in a town where everyone seems to know each other.<br>
<br>
My question is, what do you do in cases where you meet people who HAVE<br>
been exposed to OST but did not have a good experience. My wife for one<br>
participated in one OS forum, and she is not at all convinced. Her<br>
experience was that the usual suspects did all the talking and those<br>
that usually are quiet, stayed that way. I wasn't there myself, but from<br>
what I gather there may have been some factors that contributed to this<br>
such as, the size of the group (only 15), the breakout spaces had tables<br>
and a couple of other factors. Nevertheless, my wife is not convinced it<br>
could have been much different.<br>
<br>
What do you more experienced think is a play? My own experience is<br>
limited so I'm not sure what to say about this. Is it the case that some<br>
OS events just don't have the right energy and don't work out that well?<br>
If so, what can you do to make people consider doing it again? The best<br>
I have come up with is that even if OST may not be perfect, it is better<br>
than most other things I have tried.<br>
<br>
Your thoughts would be much appreciated.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Bui Petersen<br>
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