So interesting to read all of this. This is all a fascinating discussion. Although I am old enough to be
highly critical of what I experience when I use these tools, I do
rejoice that connectivity and convergence and user inspired innovation
does bring us closer to an 'open space' on the planet.<br><br>I marvel
every day at every nail that goes into the coffin of another sacrosanct
and debilitating institution I used to trust or at least think would out live me, much caused by these faster and uncontrollable communications and messaging links between lots and lots of people and their friends.<br><br>
Vive l'etre humain! <br>
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I participated in a course on Networked Collaboration last year at New
School. We used all these techniques including Second Life. I have to say I didn't find it
particularly enabling collaboration as I am used to, but it did enable meetings,
exchanging files, media, information, finding people to reach out to and talk
to and facilitating that when face-to-face was geo or logistically out of the question.<br><br>The tools are kind of a continuum from way back before the telephone. They are moving more and more toward dis-intermediating the 'organization' and power structures we have all grown up with and that is a basic model of something like the East India Tea Company, or the Vatican or something. <br>
<br>However, some scholars think that even the tent meeting circuits of the 1800s did some damage to diversity of discourse and even the scope of the active vocabularly of the average citizen. That road continued with radio and networked television. The book of course did in oral traditions, but made larger collective consciousnesses and memories possible over a wider group. <br>
<br>That is the remarkable thing about all of this. Hundreds and thousands of people are now connected to send critical information around. In some countries. Mobile phones have been able to mobilize 100,000s outside the reach of the dictatorial regime when the army took the radio station or telephone network off line. That happened in the Philippines about 10 yrs ago. We rejoice that today at a touch of a button, we can jam telephone lines to Capitol Hill or take House.gov and Senate.gov off-line because of voter engagement and outrage as happened on the weekend last Fall when Congress was deliberating on the First Great Bank Bailout Bill. Those guys used to work in the dark, were men behind the curtain, and more or less had their cake, ate it and thought they would continue to do that. <br>
<br>There is something useful to all of this. <br><br>Although the FCC and the Internet in this country is still a little too centralized. Google would probably be the thing the tanks would go after if the Russians or Chinese ever invaded. Although where is Google? I hear the servers are in barns in Oregon burning through a lot of air con every day. The radio station is the first thing the Russians went for in 1968 in the Prague Spring. Of course, lawyers for Verizon, AT&T and Time Warner are trying hard to unlevel the playing field and legislate advantages for themselves and disadvantages for us. The legal system in this democracy is very vulnerable that way, this Supreme Court and its lifetime appointees is not 'activist' in the sense of ruling for 'equality' over other kinds of property rights...and the Internet and all of this rapid Citizen Connection Capability is clearly scaring these companies as users move away from their banal, degrading and distracting content. Their cake is at risk too!<br>
<br>Twitter, Facebook, Google et al are simply new building blocks we have to construct new solutions which will change and evolve. These technologies are infants and the users (i.e. us) have not developed the new protocols and communications habits that it will take to make them truly useful. But, people are trying and bending the rules, and there is space their for innovators to do that. <br>
<br>Ralph mentioned telephone call as number 2 on his preferred list. 100 yrs ago, he may not have said that. My grandmother vaguely spoke about a telephone in the house in 1916. But, they weren't using it much for anything except replacing sending letters and notes by footman. Livery was something else she used to talk about. Motor cars too. But, that was purely a vanity for pleasure on muddy rutty roads in the country. <br>
<br>It took us a long time to evolve to the point where a telephone feels natural, and we actually know how to use it, know how to sense the emotions of a person on the other side, know how to think of it as a device for collaboration and real communication. At first you know people shouted into it, and kept it brief cause it cost a lot. <br>
<br>Anyway. We all agreed in the class, that for those of us who really had other ideas about what real communication and connection were, these tools were no replacement. But, they were additive. Kind of removing letter writing or address books, or making dozens of telephone calls to organize meetings, or sending messengers or Fedex packages. Or even losing track of old friends from many years ago. The connection on LinkedIn of Facebook really makes it up to us to decide what to do with that in the First Life or offline world, but the choice is now there as never before because of these tools and the ability to find and choose to re-connect whatever that may be.<br>
<br>Twitter's purpose remains a mystery for a lot of people, but a friend of mine assures me she managed to get a technical problem resolved with her ISP because they found someone from the company active on Twitter, even when they could get no joy from the Customer Service Desk to resolve their outage problem. Seems people on Twitter may just be the movers and shakers, the influencers who can get things done in companies, since it has become a form of advertising one's professional qualities and activities. People claim they get found for business or job offers based on the content of their Twitter feed.<br>
<br>Trouble is maybe that it is modern life that has broken down the real relationship and communication links between us, which necessitates the urgency of breathless 'networking' for survival in a competitive business world because other kinds of more durable relationship networks don't exist for everyone anymore. Bowling leagues and brass bands don't exist much anymore, but they served a social purpose once. The number of a person's 'loose ties' evidently signifies more about how 'successful' (whatever that is) they will be rather than their 'close ties'. This may also be more democratic in a way since in the old days what mattered was who your father was. <br>
<br>But, that would be more Milton Friedman question concerning his notions about 'mobility of the workforce' as a central assumption of how capitalism can best function, rather than anything intrinsic about Twitter. <br>
<br>Twitter may be more a reflection of a culture that has adopted (explicitly or inexplicitly) that notion as a central tenet and value after 50 yrs of indoctrination in media and politics and education and lots of other collective memory building kinds of places like the Ayn Rand craze in the 1950s. <br>
<br>That is where many of us are today, and these 'communication' devices reflect that. And fortunately like every one of our institutions, many if these central 'tenets' that shaped our contemporary culture are also being examined again and shown to be lacking. Greenspan's testimony in Congress on Oct 23, 2008 really exposes the canon orthodoxy. <br>
<br>Maybe through all of these tools we can use this new emergent 'public space' as a way to by-pass some of the more controlled communications channels that more or less indoctrinated us into believing there was only one way for their own economic gain all these years. <br>
<br>I can't wait to see what Gen Y does with all this stuff when they come into their Majority in a few years since they outnumber the Baby Boom in numbers and in education! <br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Karen Sella <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:karen@luminacoaching.com">karen@luminacoaching.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">A few more musings about Twitter, Facebook, and the like…</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Like some of you who have shared here, I haven’t
caught the Twitter-bug yet, but know colleagues and friends who appreciate the
medium—for entertainment, marketing, networking, etc. Of course, I’m
typically, though not always, a late adopter of new technology—curious but
not enough to spend much time exploring new tech applications until they become
blatantly useful or requisite for the work/play at hand—and even then, I’m
rarely invested enough in the mediums to optimize their usefulness, as anyone
who has visited my blog will no doubt note [sheepish grin]. Having a college-age
sibling eighteen years my junior inspired early adoption of instant messaging
and Facebook—mostly as a way to get to know her in her preferred
communication modes (although we did have to adopt a few of my own old-fashioned
communication norms—<i><span style="font-style: italic;">no divided
attention</span></i>—i.e. no communicating with me while doing other
things—like instant messaging two other friends while checking email while
talking on the phone while writing a term paper while instant messaging me [grin]).
These relatively superficial points of contact cumulatively create enough comfort
and currency between us—by currency, I mean knowing enough about each
other’s current experience of existence to care to connect with each
other—to inspire more meaningful connections in phone calls and
face-to-face interactions. </span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Though definitely no substitute, these virtual exchanges support
a more meaningful visceral relationship with my sister and many other
colleagues, friends, and family who’ve decided to connect in this way
too. I still consider my participation there a social networking
experiment, but one that I have found to be quite useful for keeping in touch
with various friends and family all over the world and from different time
periods in my life. Actually, because of my global upbringing, it’s
the first time ever that all of my contacts can show up in one place aside from
a battered address book [grin]. </span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">On another level, I sometimes wonder if Twitter tweets (and
Facebook status updates to some extent) aren’t somehow the collective chatter
of the “monkey mind” of consciousness… all the individual
internal chatter—or at least some of it—made visible to a broader collective—and
like individuals chasing these psychological monkeys, so do crowds… just
wondering. I say this not to dismiss the value of the content shared
there. There are some real insightful gems and pointers within the
virtual chatter. Some people probably benefit from putting their thoughts
“out there,” whether sublime or inane, and others benefit from
following these thoughts. Like all forms of communication, I imagine some
people use Twitter and Facebook, and all the myriad forms of social networking to
contribute to the collective meaning of existence. Others I imagine are merely
there to “twitillate” and be “twitillated” as yet another
meaningless distraction. Somehow, following “friends” on
Twitter or Facebook seems like a step up the evolutionary ladder of distraction
from following “Friends” on TV. Plus, as someone who likes
her quiet, I appreciate that there’s a quieter way for folks who want to be
in constant contact to do so—people who chatter away on the cell-phones
in public challenge my compassion</span></font><font size="2" face="Wingdings"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings;">J</span></font><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Thanks for opening space for me to wonder aloud… I
appreciate learning here with you</span></font><font size="2" face="Wingdings"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings;">J</span></font><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">.</span></font></p>
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<p><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> OSLIST [mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Michael Herman<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 30, 2009 8:55
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSLIST] Social Networking</div></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">some thoughts on what's
been said so far. full disclosure, i don't tweet. but i might be
just on the edge of my tweet seat. <br><div><div></div><div class="h5">
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i love what ralph says about not wanting to skip along your surface. it
seems that twitter is more likely to produce statements than questions, and not
a great deal of depth. but i think we've all seen proceedings documents
where good conversations didn't produce the most impressive write-ups, or any
at all. <br>
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thinking about the larger conversation that twitter is part of, we know that
the conversation on this oslist is different, and deeper, for the annual osonos
travels of a small slice of us. and that those gatherings are possible
likely only because we keep the flame alive here online. <br>
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twitter and facebook seem more like an extension of watching, a way to be all
in the same place, a way to notice and relish that we are all at the same
party, share many of the same people and interests, but don't necessarily have
an intimate dialogue every time we have an event. in the physical world
of relationships, we go to a lot of meetings because being there is important,
being present, witnessing, listening, and then there are relatively few moments
when we step up and volunteer for something, or have an intimate, deeply
meaningful side conversation, or ask for help in a crisis. twitter and
facebook are a way to "show up", a first step, in some sort of larger
world that's emerging.<br>
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as for the young, i just facilitated an afternoon program with 120 "high
potential" high school seniors as part of a final selection process for
full-ride scholarships to two excellent universities. it was a cafe
format, but the first session was used to write questions that these young
leaders thought they and other young people should be addressing. then we
did three rounds in which table hosts picked the questions and raised them with
whoever rotated to their table for one session. after the first
question-making session, the 20 tables went in 20 different directions, like an
open space with so many small stakes in the ground. and i went around
picking up cups and the last bits of box-lunch trash in cafe-style, with a
small tray and quiet "can i take that out of your way?"<br>
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for all of the potential for doubting statement-biased broadcast-by-twitter,
these kids dug deep into the process of questionning and listening.
sitting back and listening to the plenary ending, indistinguishable (except for
the tables and clustering) from an open space closing circle, i was impressed
again by these folks, their ownership and engagement. my guess is that
we'd get the much the same result with almost any 100 kids, if they had the
same chance to get together and question each other deeply. the world
continually ripening, no?<br>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Pat Black <<a href="mailto:patoitextiles@gmail.com" target="_blank">patoitextiles@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thanks for this post Ralph. My experience with the platforms
mentioned is similar to yours. I have a couple of additional questions
though especially reflecting on Holger's reflections people's initial reaction
to cell phones. I share your perspective that Twitter and other types of
these social networking communications are unsatisfying in building
relationship with other people. I can see that they have some benefit as
organizing tools where people working on the same puzzle can drop in their
piece for everyone else to have instantaneously allowing the picture to emerge
more quickly for more people. What I wonder about is whether these types
of short kind of bombish kinds of communication make it harder to communicate
in silence. I am reflecting on the constant use of cell phones to talk,
text and tweet. The need to be hooked up to the internet through cell
phones, constantly being buzzed and directed to communications that don't seem
important or even very interesting but make us feel like we are not alone. I
wonder if these constant superficial communications actually create a need for
more intimacy while continuing to drive us down a less intimate road? I
wonder if even just the non stop communication makes it more difficult to be
comfort in the space of quiet, separation and self? As I read this I read
judgement about the media which I actually don't believe I feel because I can
see where they have great possibility in particular applications but the
constantness of it is a concern for me. When I sit at a dinner table with
people who are texting while I sit across form them I wonder.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Ralph Copleman <<a href="mailto:rcopleman@comcast.net" target="_blank">rcopleman@comcast.net</a>>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I signed up for a Twitter account, but apparently I have no need to
tweet, so I'm not sure why I did it. The very sound of the word, in
English anyway, is enough of a clue to me about the quality of the
connection, though I suppose there will always be a place in our lives for the
small comings and goings. </span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Facebook. Signed up there, too. I check it about every
second or third day. I keep waiting for something to happen, something
worth sinking teeth into. Even if I say something I hope might result in
richer dialogue, little of lasting import transpires. But I must say I
like it. It's easy, and some folks I love whom I don't see regularly do
post messages there. Have heard from two old college chums, too, but I
cannot say we are "re-connected" in any richer sense. Linkedin.
Plaxo. Forget them. All I ever get are invitations to
"connect" to people. Nothing else. No dialogue at all.
None. I suppose I could derive benefit from them if I "worked"
them, but I don't feel the need.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Live and let live is my motto, and in my case, intimacy is what I
crave, not more ways to skip along your surface. Want me to
"follow" you? Write me something about what's really going on
with you, and ask questions. Send it to me. I'll answer. Want
to follow me? Well, ask me what you want to know. And I'll ask you
questions, too. I'm not sure I want to bother the world with what I have
for breakfast each day. I understand some fame-soaked celebrities have
people who ghost-write their tweets. </span></font></p>
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Listserves. Everything else. In that order. The farther
I go down the list, the less I experience any space being held by anyone, for
anyone. And here's a quote that came to mind for me. Seems
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