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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Hey Michael – a thought. When
somebody asks me a question that I think is of broader (</span></font><font
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>OSLIST</span></font><font
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red'> wide) interest,
I always suggest that they join the list. Point is -- </span></font><font
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>OSLIST</span></font><font
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red'> is the record
of LOTS of OS discussion and it is valuable as a reference. It is free –
but we do expect that people will share. So I would hope that when people give
substantive answers (and Chris surely did!) that all of that discussion would
be available for everybody. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Open Space Training</span></font><font
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Personal website</span></font><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Michael Herman<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 26, 2009
3:14 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSLIST] teacher
continuing education credits?</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>thanks,
chris. forwarding to the person who sent the question.<br>
<br>
everybody else, please note that the person who asked the question is not on
the list here. please reply to her directly (see original message) or
comment at the website. <br>
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thanks. m<br>
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Michael Herman<br>
Michael Herman Associates<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Chris Kloth <<a
href="mailto:chris@got2change.com">chris@got2change.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Answer follows...</span></font></p>
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Quoting Michael Herman <<a href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com"
target="_blank">michael@michaelherman.com</a>>:</span></font></p>
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Comment:<br>
I was wondering if anyone that has used open space tech for teachers or<br>
schools has ever tried to get the participating teachers continuing<br>
education credits as incentive? How did you go about this? Did it work?<br>
Thanks!<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I have
done many meetings with teachers and other educators in open space over the
years. On several occasions continuing education credits were offered as
an incentive and in others they were not. When there was a sufficiently
compelling question that was important to those attending people came without
the credits to do what they saw as important work.<br>
<br>
<br>
When CEUs were offered is was as a bonus after we clarified the compelling
question. I am not sure if we had more people because of the CEUs.<br>
<br>
<br>
I have to own a degree of ambivalence on this matter because the part of who I
am that can be judgmental can feel judgmental about people who need credits
before being willing to engage in important work. My less judgmental side
knows that, in the US, teachers are under-payed and already working more
uncompensated hours than we have a right to demand so if CEUs help them get
recognition or compensation they more than deserve it.<br>
<br>
<br>
>From my perspective the key to getting the CEUs awarded was having someone as
part of the planning team who had experience working the CEU system in the
jurisdiction AND understood how OST works so that s/he was able and willing to
frame the application for credits in a way that the reviewers can approve and
to advocate for the application when there were reviewers who did not "get
it."<br>
<br>
<br>
Hope this helps.<br>
<br>
<br>
Shalom,<br>
<br>
Chris Kloth<br>
Senior Partner<br>
ChangeWorks of the Heartland<br>
250 South Virginalee Road<br>
Columbus, OH 43209-2052<br>
Phone: 614.239.1336<br>
Fax: 614.237.2347<br>
E-mail: <a href="mailto:chris@got2change.com" target="_blank">chris@got2change.com</a><br>
URL: <a href="http://www.got2change.com" target="_blank">www.got2change.com</a><br>
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