<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>Sorry for bothering you with this. I'm trying to find out with Michael, why the list serv is not working properly - at least in my case.</div><div><br></div><div>Can we have 1-2-3 single responses to this message to confirm you received it - we are not sure whether there is a particular pattern of how messages are - or rather are not - distributed...</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry again and thank you!</div><div>-marc</div><div><br></div><div><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span><img height="55" width="173" src="cid:65F22F96-B123-4BC0-915C-A79100B0D074"></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; 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-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">IngeniousPeoplesKnowledge</span></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; ">Marc Steinlin</span></span></span></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><a href="mailto:marc.steinlin@i-p-k.ch">marc.steinlin@i-p-k.ch</a></span></span></span></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; ">Skype: marcsteinlin</span></span></span></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; ">PO Box 27494</span></span></span></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; ">Rhine Road</span></span></span></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; ">Sea Point</span></span></span></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; ">8050 Cape Town</span></span></span></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; ">Republic of South Africa</span></span></span></span></span></font></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; ">Mobile: +27 (76) 222 81 12</span></span></span></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Arial Narrow'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; "><div><font class="Apple-style-span"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; ">Phone from South Africa: +27 (21) 674 63 60</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; ">Phone from Europe: +41 (44) 586 53 64</span></font></div></span></font></div></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; ">Zweierstrasse 50</span></span></span></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; ">CH-8004 Zürich</span></span></span></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; ">Switzerland</span></span></span></span></span></font></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; ">Mobile: +41 (78) 850 42 32</span></span></span></span></span></font></div></div></div></span></span><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'; "><a href="http://www.i-p-k.ch">http://www.i-p-k.ch</a></span></span></span></span></span></font></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial Narrow"></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Webdings" size="5"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#408000">P</font></font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#408000"> <b>Help save paper - do you really need to print this email ?</b></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#408000"><b><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></b></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#408000"><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'">‘Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.’ </font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'"><i>Margaret Mead</i></font></span></b></font></div></span> </div><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">"Michael Herman" <<a href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com">michael@michaelherman.com</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">03. December 2008 17:16:01</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">"Marc Steinlin (I-P-K)" <<a href="mailto:marc.steinlin@i-p-k.ch">marc.steinlin@i-p-k.ch</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Cc: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><a href="mailto:murli@boisestate.edu">murli@boisestate.edu</a></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><b>Re: Message ("Your message dated Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:34:45 +0200...")</b></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </div><div>actually, marc, the ipk part is not in your oslist registered name.<br>so perhaps that's part of the issue. i see that you've sent messages<br>earlier with that name, but perhaps they've upgraded... nah.<br>shouldn't be. you got confirmation and archiving. i'm getting my<br>email via a gmail account. i wonder if the others you asked about<br>getting your message all had different providers, with potentially<br>different spam filters? i'm a bit stumped, really. i know lists<br>generate mistakes, but usually more randomly than this, i think.<br><br>and here's another strange one. your subscription wasn't set up do<br>send the confirmation, sort of. there are three acknowledgement<br>options and then a fourth "special/obsolete" which is what yours was<br>set on. that's common, i think. and could be generating the<br>confirmation, just not sure what it is. anyway, i've set it so that<br>you receive copies of your own postings.<br><br>perhaps send a test message to the list and ask for a single response,<br>to the list, and we'll find out if it's getting to anybody at all out<br>there?<br><br>m<br><br><br><br>On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Michael Herman<br><<a href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com">michael@michaelherman.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">very strange, marc. somebody else had similar problem, but wasn't<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">getting the confirmation that you are. or the message showing up in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the archive, like i think you said before. they also had a company<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">name in their address, but used brackets instead of parentheses.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">might you be willing to remove the "(I-P-K)" from your name and try<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that? maybe that's catching in some spam filters? if you're game to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">try, i'll remove the same bits from your list name and we'll see what<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">happens? meanwhile, i'll go check my own spam filter for your<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">messages. i didn't get anythnig in the normal oslist folder. thanks,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">m<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Marc Steinlin (I-P-K)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:marc.steinlin@i-p-k.ch">marc.steinlin@i-p-k.ch</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Dear Michael, dear Murli,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">It seems that this problem is persisting. I have been sending messages to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the list severall times and none of them seems to have been distributed<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> properly. I sent messages on:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">October 26 & 31<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">November 28<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">December 1<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and today (December 3)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I know from several people on the list they didn't receive it. Yet, I always<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">had a confirmation (as an example, cf. below).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Any ideas? Or can I "bypass" the normal way of sending by using a web<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">interface to post or so?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Many thanks for any help!<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Best,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-marc<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">IngeniousPeoplesKnowledge<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Marc Steinlin<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:marc.steinlin@i-p-k.ch">marc.steinlin@i-p-k.ch</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Skype: marcsteinlin<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">PO Box 27494<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Rhine Road<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sea Point<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">8050 Cape Town<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Republic of South Africa<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Mobile: +27 (76) 222 81 12<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Phone from South Africa: +27 (21) 674 63 60<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Phone from Europe: +41 (44) 586 53 64<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Zweierstrasse 50<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">CH-8004 Zürich<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Switzerland<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Mobile: +41 (78) 850 42 32<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.i-p-k.ch">http://www.i-p-k.ch</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">P Help save paper - do you really need to print this email ?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">'Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.' Margaret Mead<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Begin forwarded message:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: "LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU LISTSERV Server (14.5)"<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:LISTSERV@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">LISTSERV@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Date: 03. December 2008 15:35:02<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: <a href="mailto:marc.steinlin@I-P-K.CH">marc.steinlin@I-P-K.CH</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Message ("Your message dated Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:34:45 +0200...")<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Your message dated Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:34:45 +0200 with subject "Several<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">parallel OS ?" has been successfully distributed to the OSLIST list (574<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">recipients).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Michael Herman<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Michael Herman Associates<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.michaelherman.com">http://www.michaelherman.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.ronanparktrail.com">http://www.ronanparktrail.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org">http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org">http://www.openspaceworld.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">312-280-7838 (mobile)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br><br><br>-- <br><br>Michael Herman<br>Michael Herman Associates<br><br><a href="http://www.michaelherman.com">http://www.michaelherman.com</a><br><a href="http://www.ronanparktrail.com">http://www.ronanparktrail.com</a><br><a href="http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org">http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org</a><br><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org">http://www.openspaceworld.org</a><br><br>312-280-7838 (mobile)<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>*
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