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<DIV>If we think of our world, "<FONT color=#c00000>Wars, Violance, Hunger and Diseases"</FONT> should have been the main issues in our agenda.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 10/24/08, funda oral <I><fundaoral2003@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>If we think of our world, Wars, Violance and Diseases should have been the main issues in our agenda. Because firstly these are the problems faced by majority of the population,</DIV>
<DIV>secondly the communication technology makes it possible for us to get current information on time, thirdly every human being is against all of them, and fourthly, we have globally enough resources to end all these problems in one month.</DIV>
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<DIV>So why this doesn't happen? I guess our agenda is full of issues which are not that urgent although we all feel that somethings are wrong. We don't know how to get organized efficiently to be able to end these problems. Hopefully there are a lot of effort.</DIV>
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<DIV>Personally, as many others in the list, i do a lot of work in these areas and i know how one simple word and act can change the lives of many people. </DIV>
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<DIV>My wonder is, knowing our intelligence, sensitivity and potential to collaborate, why we can not get better organized to END these problems, no matter how much we are divided in different countries, religions, ages, sexes, identities, ethnics, professions, classes and so on. </DIV>
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<DIV> <BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 10/24/08, Pat Black <I><patoitextiles@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Funda and all who have been engaged in this question,</DIV>
<DIV>I have been in deep thought about your question Funda and it has directed my thoughts to other questions. Sitting in the United States I have to wonder if the militarization of my country, wars around the globe that directly involve our military, those that result from our covert military operations and those that happen for reasons unrelated to our agenda and hunger are not directly related to the United States governement and citizens wanting to support an unsustainble hunger for more things. Could the current situation we find the world in be directly related to militarization intended to bolster and grow an economy to accommodate unsustainable and unquenchable appetites for more things. These are questions and they frame my thoughts on where to enter in.</DIV>
<DIV>Pat Black<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Michael Herman <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>michael@michaelherman.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">two bits that might or might not be useful in these wonderings...<BR><BR>first, we did a statewide "food security summit" in illinois in 2001. three days, full-on ost. proceedings are still posted here... <A href="http://www.michaelherman.com/publications/foodsecurity.pdf" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.michaelherman.com/publications/foodsecurity.pdf</A>. the event was sponsored by a large local foundation. invitees included policy folks, farmers, soup kitchen managers, chefs, food pantries, homeless shelters, food distributors. and associated agency folk like our friend ted ernst, who sort of followed me home from that event and discovered all of you here on the list. the theme of the summit, subsequent events, and ongoing work was/is essentially "healthy food for all."<BR><BR>later on, ralph, we did a
regional followup to address the findings of a report done by a new jersey outfit, called <A href="http://redtomato.org/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>redtomato.org</A>. <BR><BR>michael<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Ralph Copleman <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:rcopleman@comcast.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>rcopleman@comcast.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Hunger is a tragedy anywhere, anytime.<BR><BR>That said...<BR><BR>In my experience, trying to organize a group of process consultants to deal with a specific issue has not worked. It seems to matter little how deeply our hearts are stirred, we never get it going. Conference calls and meetings get put together, and assignments get accepted, but things have always broken down on definitions, roles, deadlines. etc. We do not follow through.<BR><BR>OS can be a HUGE and important contribution to any social change movement. Can we use it to address the challenge of hunger. OF COURSE we can. It's a natural. It's obvious. We all know this. But that's not the question. Will we get something done around this? That's really the question.<BR><BR>My answer to Michael's question?
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