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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Michael said: </span></font><font size=2
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>I love Harrison Owen's observation that "Whereever space is
opened, peace breaks out" </span></font><font size=2 color=blue
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>AND</span></font><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'> in parallel with that it seems to me possible that Open Space
could be used for people to self organise to evil ends as well as to good ends
(remember the famous TV Character, Maxwell Smart's comment, "If only he
had used his powers for good instead of evil").</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Interesting question – Could evil
people use Open Space for evil ends? I think the answer is: Certainly. But we
might need to go a little deeper and recognize that my “evil” could
well be your “good,” and visa versa. No need to disappear into the
mists of moral relativism, but I think we all might agree that what the
American revolutionaries perceived as a profound “good” – was
seen in very different terms by the British Crown. And I would believe that had
the Americans and the Brits known about and utilized OST both groups could have
achieved infinitely higher levels of group cohesion and effectiveness.
Unfortunately, this achievement would have meant (at least in the short term)
that they could have killed each other with greater efficiency. This might make
the Generals happy but does little to advance the cause of humanity, to say
nothing of the long term survival of either party. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>I think we might add another thought to the
discussion – no system exists in isolation. The Americans needed the
Brits and visa versa. And actually they (we) formed a system, albeit a rather
dysfunctional one. Where to go? How about getting the whole system in the room!
Open some space. Imagine what might have happened. . .</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>OSLIST</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> [mailto:</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>OSLIST</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Michael Wood<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>October 02,
2008</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>12:24 AM</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>OSLIST</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: just wondering</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Marty</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Interesting question you
raise. I certainly don't have a clear answer, but just a few thoughts.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>At San Francisco this
year someone convened a very interesting conversation about what happens when
communities "self organise themselves into dictatorships"...or words
to that effect. I didn't attend that conversation but it did get me thinking.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I love Harrison Owen's
observation that "Whereever space is opened, peace breaks out" </span></font><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>AND</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> in parallel with that it
seems to me possible that Open Space could be used for people to self organise
to evil ends as well as to good ends (remember the famous TV Character, Maxwell
Smart's comment, "If only he had used his powers for good instead of evil").</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>So I think that what OS
does is to bring things out into the open more transparently so that we can see
what we're actually dealing with. And I presume that this does not remove
the fact that governing bodies still need, at the end of the day, to make public
policy decisions which will involve more or less government intervention,
depending on one's political persuasions...and this is what constitutes part of
the boundaries of the Open Space.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Michael Wood</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Perth, Western Australia</span></font></p>
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.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Martin Boroson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 1 October 2008 </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>9:43 PM</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> just wondering</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Book Antiqua"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'>I am wondering …</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Book Antiqua"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'>The philosophy of Open
Space seems to promote a genuinely free market for ideas. The underlying
belief, as I understand it, is that allowing each person to follow his/her
passion is the best way to discover the best ideas and solutions. It’s
efficient, just like a market. This sure sounds like the ‘invisible
hand’ and laissez-faire capitalism to me.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Book Antiqua"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Book Antiqua"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'>I have even sold Open Space
to some corporate execs by pointing out that since they value the free market
so dearly <i><span style='font-style:italic'>outside</span></i> their company,
they might want to try a free market <i><span style='font-style:italic'>for
ideas</span></i> inside their company. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Book Antiqua"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Book Antiqua"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'>So I have often wondered if
people on this list believe as passionately in the free market for the economy
as they do in Open Space. In the current economic crisis, as the
world clamors for greater regulation – i.e. more rules and limits on the
freedom of markets – I am wondering if any of you have any thoughts or
insights to share.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Book Antiqua"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Book Antiqua"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'>I imagine Harrison will
remind me that Open Space runs on freedom <i><span style='font-style:italic'>and</span></i>
responsibility… yet the responsibility asked of participants in Open
Space is pretty minimal – naming their passion and showing up for their
sessions and respecting others’ freedom to do the same. It’s
well short of socialism.</span></font></p>
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