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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Harrison and all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>....We still want the tea back – or the taxes – we don’t
mind which!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sincere regards from the UK – from an OS practitioner who
doesn’t think there has ever been a truly free market, is very wary of
control freaks on the Left and Right, believes in democracy (in the way that
most capitalist businesses do not...) and above all yearns for a wholesome
peace where everyone can make their dreams a reality without some profiteer getting
in the way or trying to sell them a different dream (that costs a lot!).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1D1B11'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1D1B11'>___________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1D1B11'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#4A442A'>Jon Harvey<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#4A442A'>Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#4A442A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#4A442A'><a href="http://www.jonharveyassociates.co.uk/"><span
style='color:#4A442A'>www.jonharveyassociates.co.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#4A442A'>07771 537535<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#4A442A'>01280 822585<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=65 height=32 id="Picture_x0020_0"
src="cid:image001.png@01C924EA.ACCA5C20" alt=Bridge.jpg.png><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-family:"Tempus Sans ITC";color:#4A442A'>Helping
you connect the prose and the passion <o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-family:"Tempus Sans ITC";color:#4A442A'>to
deliver superlative results<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#948A54'>Jon Harvey Associates Ltd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#948A54'>Registered Office: Chandos House, School Lane, Buckingham, MK18
1HD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#948A54'>Company Number 6661588. VAT Registration Number 936 2921 11 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#948A54'>jon@jonharveyassociates.co.uk <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#948A54'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harrison Owen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 02 October 2008 21:50<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: just wondering<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:red'>Michael said: </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I love Harrison Owen's observation
that "Whereever space is opened, peace breaks out" AND in parallel
with that it seems to me possible that Open Space could be used for people to
self organise to evil ends as well as to good ends (remember the famous TV
Character, Maxwell Smart's comment, "If only he had used his powers for
good instead of evil").</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:red'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:red'>Interesting question – Could evil people use Open Space for
evil ends? I think the answer is: Certainly. But we might need to go a little
deeper and recognize that my “evil” could well be your
“good,” and visa versa. No need to disappear into the mists of
moral relativism, but I think we all might agree that what the American
revolutionaries perceived as a profound “good” – was seen in
very different terms by the British Crown. And I would believe that had the
Americans and the Brits known about and utilized OST both groups could have
achieved infinitely higher levels of group cohesion and effectiveness.
Unfortunately, this achievement would have meant (at least in the short term)
that they could have killed each other with greater efficiency. This might make
the Generals happy but does little to advance the cause of humanity, to say
nothing of the long term survival of either party. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:red'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:red'>I think we might add another thought to the discussion – no
system exists in isolation. The Americans needed the Brits and visa versa. And
actually they (we) formed a system, albeit a rather dysfunctional one. Where to
go? How about getting the whole system in the room! Open some space. Imagine
what might have happened. . .</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:red'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:red'>Harrison</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Harrison Owen</span><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>7808 River Falls Drive</span><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Potomac,
Maryland 20854</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Phone 301-365-2093</span><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Skype hhowen</span><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Open Space Training</span><span lang=EN-US
style='color:red'> </span><span lang=EN-US><a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>www.openspaceworld.com</span></a><span
style='color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Open Space Institute</span><span lang=EN-US
style='color:red'> </span><span lang=EN-US><a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>www.openspaceworld.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>Personal website</span><span lang=EN-US
style='color:red'> </span><span lang=EN-US><a href="http://www.ho-image.com/"><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>www.ho-image.com</span></a><span
style='color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael
Wood<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: just wondering</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Marty</span><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Interesting
question you raise. I certainly don't have a clear answer, but just a few
thoughts.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>At San
Francisco this year someone convened a very interesting conversation about what
happens when communities "self organise themselves into
dictatorships"...or words to that effect. I didn't attend that
conversation but it did get me thinking.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I love
Harrison Owen's observation that "Whereever space is opened, peace breaks
out" AND in parallel with that it seems to me possible that Open Space
could be used for people to self organise to evil ends as well as to good ends
(remember the famous TV Character, Maxwell Smart's comment, "If only he
had used his powers for good instead of evil").</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>So I think
that what OS does is to bring things out into the open more transparently so
that we can see what we're actually dealing with. And I presume that this
does not remove the fact that governing bodies still need, at the end of the
day, to make public policy decisions which will involve more or less government
intervention, depending on one's political persuasions...and this is what
constitutes part of the boundaries of the Open Space.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Michael
Wood</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Perth,
Western Australia</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Boroson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 1 October 2008 9:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> just wondering</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif"'>I am wondering …</span><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif"'>The philosophy of Open Space seems
to promote a genuinely free market for ideas. The underlying belief, as I
understand it, is that allowing each person to follow his/her passion is the
best way to discover the best ideas and solutions. It’s efficient,
just like a market. This sure sounds like the ‘invisible
hand’ and laissez-faire capitalism to me.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif"'>I have even sold Open Space to some
corporate execs by pointing out that since they value the free market so dearly
<i>outside</i> their company, they might want to try a free market <i>for ideas</i>
inside their company. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif"'>So I have often wondered if people
on this list believe as passionately in the free market for the economy as they
do in Open Space. In the current economic crisis, as the world
clamors for greater regulation – i.e. more rules and limits on the
freedom of markets – I am wondering if any of you have any thoughts or
insights to share.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif"'>I imagine Harrison will remind me
that Open Space runs on freedom <i>and</i> responsibility… yet the
responsibility asked of participants in Open Space is pretty minimal –
naming their passion and showing up for their sessions and respecting
others’ freedom to do the same. It’s well short of
socialism.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif"'>Marty</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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