<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Like the question mark that was wanting to appear at the end of my last paragraph. <div><br></div><div><br></div><div>?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 16 Aug 2008, at 18:50, Phelim McDermott wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi There,<div><br></div><div>This may be a tangent but the thought is there. This makes me think of a very good exercise which i did with Keith Johnstone as an improvisation/ensemble training. I have done it with others and the emphasis has been off kilter and nowhere near as useful and subtle. Its called something like. "Lets.. yes lets" So the game is you have a large group and people shout out: "Let's all stand on one leg!", "let's jump up and down" "Let's jump out the window!" etc.. or any proposal. At that point the whole group shout "yes let's.." and they do it. </div><div><br></div><div>People think it's a game about saying yes and everyone not blocking ideas however, this is not keith's emphasis. He says you have to notice if you do or don't want to do it and if you don't you drop out. (Two feet). You have to be honest about whether you do or don't want to do it. So it's actually a game about finding out which offer's are "clever ideas" and which are offers it's easy to say yes to. The discovery I had after doing this over the years was that the ideas people consent to are not the "wacky" or "clever" or even more "interesting" ones, they are ideas that are already emergent but have been caught in the moment and crystalised or voiced by someone in the group. They are often slightly out of awareness but seem oh so obvious once said. However they are still definitely within the frame of the group's culture and don't interrupt or destroy the world the players are inhabiting.</div><div><br></div><div>When these ideas are suggested.. there seems to be a freedom to follow easily and when they are more like intellectual ideas they involve duality and the assessment of whether it's a good idea or not. Similarly ideas that come from nature in the sense of things like mistakes or things that come out of including a more secondary process are taken up with great energy. They are easy for the group to play with. This means that ideas that there is an in the moment consensus for are the ones which one can choose to bring oneself to and play. Sometimes it feels like there is no question but to follow and play. Suggestions that seem like orders are harder to play with. Suggestions which have open space around them seems to make them an attractor for engagement with choice. </div><div><br></div><div>This seems to suggest that consensus which is taken up with energy may be the ideas which are emergent within the field. In searching for consensus could it be possible to vote on the idea which hasn't quite revealed itself yet but is already present.</div><div><br></div><div>Phelim</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 16 Aug 2008, at 17:51, Peggy Holman wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I must admit to having little energy for consensus process, though I have seen its remarkable power to shift a group to a new level of understanding when people truly do listen to that one hold-out voice who brings some very important truth into the mix. Still, I believe Open Space, as an ongoing practice, a collective way of being, provides a very useful alternative framework.<div><br></div><div>I think of the essence of Open Space as taking responsibility for what you love. (As an aside, I now believe that to do so is always an act of service, not the selfish act that some assume it would be. But that's another conversation....)</div><div><br></div><div>Now, there is a major assumption in what follows, but I seem to recall this is a going in condition for consensus process as well: that the people involved are committed to the well-being of the system of which they are a part.</div><div><br></div><div>This is primarily what I learned from Spirited Work, an Open Space community of practice which used the four principles and the law as its operating framework (along with Angeles Arrien's four-fold way). In practice, those who cared about something, took responsibility to make it happen. If, for some reason, their actions created dissonance, the issue found its way into the marketplace and those who cared showed up to deal with it. This happened with everything from washing dishes to dealing with a financial deficit early in the community's life.</div><div><br></div><div>I think this approach puts decision making into the flow of life, a reminder that no decision is permanent. Those who care, act and if something hiccups, well, then, it surfaces and those who care, convene, reflect, and act anew. </div><div><br></div><div>Now all that said, when the risk goes up, perhaps because the nature of the action is difficult to undo, then it can be challenging. Transparency is essential so that people can step in should they choose to do so. As groups stumble through learning to do this, I think they develop the capacity to discern when to bring something into a larger group for discussion, knowing that action will flow based on taking responsibility for what one loves as an act of service. I have experienced this sort of co-sensing on many occasions. It seems to involve 1) understanding that a decision is a moment in a larger unfolding and 2) radically trusting others in the community, knowing they are taking responsibility for what they love in service to a larger whole.</div><div><br></div><div>So much more to be said, but I'll end off here for now.</div><div><br></div><div>open-heartedly,</div><div>Peggy</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>______________________________</div><div>Peggy Holman</div><div>The Open Circle Company</div><div>15347 SE 49th Place</div><div>Bellevue, WA 98006</div><div>425-746-6274</div><div><a href="http://www.opencirclecompany.com">www.opencirclecompany.com</a></div><div><div> </div><div>For the new edition of The Change Handbook, go to: <br><a href="http://www.bkconnection.com/ChangeHandbook">www.bkconnection.com/ChangeHandbook</a> <br> <br>"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become <br>the fire".<br> -- Drew Dellinger</div></div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On Aug 15, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Bui Petersen wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Peter,<br><br>This is necessarily my favoured definition of consensus but rather the most thorough one that I have seen. Just meant to illustrate the amount of work sometimes required to reach consensus.<br><br>Bui<br><br>Peter Emerson wrote:<blockquote cite="mid:001101c8ff15$5ea9edd0$0201a8c0@acer5322778d58" type="cite"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="Street"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="address"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Dear Bui,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">You propose the following definition:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">"Consensus is a group decision - which some members may not feel is the best decision but which they can all live with, support, and commit themselves to not undermine - arrived at without voting, through a process whereby the issues are fully aired, all members feel that they have been adequately heard, in which everyone has equal power and responsibility, and different degrees of influence by virtue of individual stubbornness or charisma are avoided, so that all are satisfied with the process.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; ">May I suggest a slight amendment, adding the two words ‘</span></font><font color="red"><span style="color: red; ">with or</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color: navy; ">’, as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">"Consensus is a group decision - which some members may not feel is the best decision but which they can all live with, support, and commit themselves to not undermine - arrived at</span></font><font color="red"><span style="color: red; ">with or</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>without voting, through a process whereby the issues are fully aired, all members feel that they have been adequately heard, in which everyone has equal power and responsibility, and different degrees of influence by virtue of individual stubbornness or charisma are avoided, so that all are satisfied with the process.”<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; ">And a voting process in which</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>“everyone has equal power”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font color="navy"><span style="color: navy; ">is, may I further suggest (as in my original splurb), a consensus vote, a multi-option preference vote, a Modified Borda Count.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; ">Just because some voting procedures are so dreadful – probably the worst is the two-option majority vote – does not mean that all voting procedures are bad. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; ">Peter</span></font><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Peter Emerson</span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.deborda.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.deborda.org</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align: center; margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: windowtext; "><hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: windowtext; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: windowtext; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<st1:personname w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Harrison Owen<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>15 August 2008 20:30<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: A Common Consensus</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: windowtext; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">I quite like what Scott Peck says, although when you read it, it sounds like very hard work, something which can be achieved only occasionally and under special circumstances. I wonder whether the truth is rather different. Indeed I might suggest that the vast majority of decisions made in any group or organization occur by consensus. There is no argument, no great discussion, “it” whatever it was, just seemed like the right thing to do – and that is what happened. Somewhere along the line we came to the notion that decision is always a matter of formal action, constrained by rules and procedure. This certainly seems to be the reality in a number of organizations – which I find totally claustrophobic! Probably just me – but my experience is that the essence of life is deciding. Most of the time it just sort of flows. But there are certainly times when it gets bumpy and hard and most usually that happens when I try to force things. Crazy?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><st1:place w:st="on"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Harrison</span></font></st1:place><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; 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margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: windowtext; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: windowtext; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<st1:personname w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Bui Petersen<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, August 15, 2008 1:46 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: A Common Consensus</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: windowtext; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">I have been absent from this list for a rather long time. Life has intervened again (I have just moved from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:city w:st="on">Vancouver</st1:city><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">St. John's</st1:city>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:state w:st="on">Newfoundland</st1:state></st1:place>) and kept me away from anything to do with Open Space. But the discussion on consensus makes me come out from hiding.<br><br><st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>, I agree with much of what you say. However, I think the difficulty with any discussion on consensus is that everybody has a different interpretation of what "consensus" means. The way I see it, consensus is not something you come at easily. Reaching what I consider to be true consensus requires a process that gives plenty of space for disagreements to be voiced. If a solution can be found that everyone believes is the best and most reasonable (considering the alternatives), and that everyone is willing to support, that could be considered consensus. It requires a lot of time and effort and is not always practical or even desirable.<br> <br>What irritates me the most is when people talk about consensus as if it only means a strong majority, as in "8 out of 10 support this options; it looks like we have consensus. A more common problem, however, is that people suppress their disagreement in order to not be seen as "difficult".<br><br>The most thorough definition of consensus that I have come across is:<br><br>"Consensus is a group decision - which some members may not feel is the best decision but which they can all live with, support, and commit themselves to not undermine - arrived at without voting, through a process whereby the issues are fully aired, all members feel that they have been adequately heard, in which everyone has equal power and responsibility, and different degrees of influence by virtue of individual stubbornness or charisma are avoided, so that all are satisfied with the process. The process requires the members to be emotionally present and engaged; frank in a loving, mutually respectful manner; sensitive to each other; to be selfless, dispassionate, and capable of emptying themselves; and possessing a paradoxical awareness of both people and time, including knowing when the solution is satisfactory, and that it is time to stop and not re-open the discussion until such time that the group determines a need for revision." [<i><span style="font-style: italic; ">© 1988, Valley Diagnostic, Medical, and Surgical Clinic, Inc. of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:city w:st="on">Harlingen</st1:city>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:state w:st="on">Texas</st1:state><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and the Foundation for Community Encouragement,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Knoxville</st1:city>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:state w:st="on">Tennessee</st1:state></st1:place></span></i>] (as quoted by M. Scott Peck).<br><br>My two cents.<br><br>Bui<br><br><st1:personname w:st="on">Harrison Owen</st1:personname><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="Street"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="address"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"></u1:smarttagtype></u1:smarttagtype></u1:smarttagtype></u1:smarttagtype></u1:smarttagtype></u1:smarttagtype></u1:smarttagtype></u1:smarttagtype>Peter – Tyranny by the majority is certainly a downside of Democracy as practiced in my country (<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on">USA</st1:country-region></st1:place>). That said, it seems to me that there are circumstances where it is the preferable alternative. The passage of the Civil Rights Act here in the US was vociferously and often violently opposed by a very vocal minority, however I would doubt that many black Americans opposed the vigorous enforcement of that act, and fortunately (for the good of the country) a majority of all Americans, regardless of hue, were in agreement.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Consensus politics has much to commend it, but it too has its downsides. Resolution at the lowest common denominator is one such, which often appears to be no resolution at all. Alternatively, the whole system may simply become paralyzed. At such times, I for one find myself longing for a straight up or down vote. There is also such a thing a Tyranny of Consensus, I think.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Perhaps it is useful to think in terms of both/and as opposed to either/or? For example, Majority Rule, as in the case of the Civil Rights act, was possible only because of a prior consensus in the American Population that the Rule of Law was to be preferred even if you were on the wrong side of the Law.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">I suspect that the situation is infinitely more complicated than the simple alternative (Consensus/Majority Rule). My learning has been that our capacity to design and implement effective systems of all sorts (political, corporate, etc) is limited at best. We simply cannot comprehend the infinite complexity and random occurrences (essential chaos), characteristic of all living systems. Our solutions are always approximations, and try as we might, we will never get it “right” – and for sure we will never be in control. This doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t keep trying, but I think it is essential that we understand the true status of our creations – they are maps, and never to be confused with the territory. Like all maps, some are better than others, and as conditions change these maps become more or less relevant/accurate.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">We really get in trouble when we decide that there is “<st1:street u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on"><st1:address u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on">One Right Way</st1:address></st1:street>.” This effectively limits our options and reduces the living space (open space). Pushed to extremes the system will die – which is the end state of all systems, regardless. When you run out of space/time you run out of life. Fortunately our maps do not create the systems, and our systems are infinitely more robust than our designs could ever be. Are they perfect? No. They are always on the way to something new. And if they ever get “there” that will be the end, I think.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><st1:place w:st="on"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Harrison</span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></div><u1:p></u1:p><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><st1:personname u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Harrison Owen</span></font></st1:personname><o:p></o:p></div><u1:p></u1:p><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><st1:street u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on"><st1:address u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">189 Beaucaire Ave</span></font></st1:address></st1:street><o:p></o:p></div><u1:p></u1:p><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Camden</span></font></st1:city><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:state u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on">ME</st1:state><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:postalcode u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on">04843</st1:postalcode></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></div><u1:p></u1:p><div style="margin-top: 0cm; 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"> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; "> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; "> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align: center; margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<st1:personname u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Peter Emerson<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:21 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: A Common Consensus</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Dear Jack,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">They key, then, is to ask these folks, do they believe in democracy? Yes? Oh jolly good. And do they believe democracy is for everybody, or just a majority? And if they agree to the former, away you go.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Mediation works only when the parties to the dispute agree to it. Democracy should work for all democrats. Russians and Georgians claim the adjective. But the idea that a majority can determine the fate of an unwilling minority<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i><span style="font-style: italic; ">should</span></i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>be abhorrent… to both. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Cheers,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Peter<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Peter Emerson</span></font><o:p></o:p></div><u1:p></u1:p><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Director, The de Borda Institute</span></font><o:p></o:p></div><u1:p></u1:p><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><st1:street u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on"><st1:address u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">36 Ballysillan Road</span></font></st1:address></st1:street><o:p></o:p></div><u1:p></u1:p><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Belfast</span></font></st1:city></st1:place><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>BT14 7QQ</span></font><o:p></o:p></div><u1:p></u1:p><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; "> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">028 90 711795</span></font><o:p></o:p></div><u1:p></u1:p><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">078 377 17979</span></font><o:p></o:p></div><u1:p></u1:p><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; "> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><a href="mailto:pemerson@deborda.org" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pemerson@deborda.org</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><u1:p></u1:p><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><a href="http://www.deborda.org" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.deborda.org</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><u1:p></u1:p><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; "> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">The Borda count "is the best protection ever devised from the tyranny of the majority." Professor Sir Michael Dummett.</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align: center; margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<st1:personname u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on"><st1:personname u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</st1:personname>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Jack Martin Leith<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>14 August<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on"><st1:personname u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:personname>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</st1:personname><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: A Common Consensus</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Peter,<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Thanks for taking the trouble to explain the method in so much detail. I've turned your post into a Word document and filed it under Decision Making Methods for future reference.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">The challenge is getting people's agreement to use the method.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Catch-22!<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Warm wishes,<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Jack <br clear="all"><br>Jack Martin Leith<br>Now-to-New activist<br><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on">Bristol</st1:city>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on">United Kingdom</st1:country-region></st1:place><br><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city u2_x003a_st="on" w:st="on">Mobile</st1:city></st1:place>: 07831 840541 (+44 7831 840541)<br>Skype: jackmartinleith<br>email:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jack@jackmartinleith.com" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; 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