<div dir="ltr">I appreciate your keeping our eye on the magic of emergent systems, Harrison, where things continuously seek pattern and differentiation simultaneously. This invites the frame of consensus as both seeking sameness within uniqueness and uniqueness within sameness. The tension energizes, as you remind us, the rich creative space of both-and. We place a false and unnecessary constraint on the system and the possibility space when we try to seek either sameness or uniqueness exclusively. So, "and" is one of the most space opening words in our common language.<br>
<br>Best,<br><br>Jack<br><br clear="all">Jack Ricchiuto<br>DesigningLife.com / 216.373.7475 (EST)<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Harrison Owen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Peter – Tyranny by the majority is
certainly a downside of Democracy as practiced in my country (USA). That
said, it seems to me that there are circumstances where it is the preferable
alternative. The passage of the Civil Rights Act here in the US was vociferously
and often violently opposed by a very vocal minority, however I would doubt
that many black Americans opposed the vigorous enforcement of that act, and
fortunately (for the good of the country) a majority of all Americans,
regardless of hue, were in agreement. </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Consensus politics has much to commend it,
but it too has its downsides. Resolution at the lowest common denominator is
one such, which often appears to be no resolution at all. Alternatively, the
whole system may simply become paralyzed. At such times, I for one find myself
longing for a straight up or down vote. There is also such a thing a Tyranny of
Consensus, I think. </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Perhaps it is useful to think in terms of
both/and as opposed to either/or? For example, Majority Rule, as in the case of
the Civil Rights act, was possible only because of a prior consensus in the
American Population that the Rule of Law was to be preferred even if you were
on the wrong side of the Law.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I suspect that the situation is infinitely
more complicated than the simple alternative (Consensus/Majority Rule). My
learning has been that our capacity to design and implement effective systems
of all sorts (political, corporate, etc) is limited at best. We simply cannot
comprehend the infinite complexity and random occurrences (essential chaos),
characteristic of all living systems. Our solutions are always approximations,
and try as we might, we will never get it "right" – and for
sure we will never be in control. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't
keep trying, but I think it is essential that we understand the true status of
our creations – they are maps, and never to be confused with the
territory. Like all maps, some are better than others, and as conditions change
these maps become more or less relevant/accurate.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">We really get in trouble when we decide
that there is "One Right Way."
This effectively limits our options and reduces the living space (open space).
Pushed to extremes the system will die – which is the end state of all
systems, regardless. When you run out of space/time you run out of life. Fortunately
our maps do not create the systems, and our systems are infinitely more robust
than our designs could ever be. Are they perfect? No. They are always on the
way to something new. And if they ever get "there" that will be the
end, I think.</span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 14, 2008
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">They key, then, is to ask these folks, do
they believe in democracy? Yes? Oh jolly good. And do they
believe democracy is for everybody, or just a majority? And if they agree
to the former, away you go.</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Mediation works only when the parties to
the dispute agree to it. Democracy should work for all democrats.
Russians and Georgians claim the adjective. But the idea that a
majority can determine the fate of an unwilling minority <i><span style="font-style: italic;">should</span></i> be abhorrent… to both. </span></font></p>
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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> OSLIST [mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jack Martin Leith<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thanks for taking the trouble to explain the method in so much detail.
I've turned your post into a Word document and filed it under Decision Making
Methods for future reference.</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">The challenge is getting people's agreement to use the method.</span></font></p>
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