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[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>ashley cooper<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:52
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Wow, wow, wow. Very
exciting. Thank you so much. I look forward to listening.<br>
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Grateful,<br>
Ashley<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Chris Corrigan <<a
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ash:<br>
<br>
Got a half hour of audio of folks giving their thoughts to your inquiry...Larry
Peterson, Peggy Holman, Viv McWaters, Brian Bainbridge, Alan Stewart, Michael
Cook, Aine Corrigan-Frost, Elwin Guild, Phelim McDermott, Lisa Heft, Jeff
Aitken, John Engle and possibly others I have forgotten for the moment, all
weighed in. <br>
<br>
All are welcome to listen at:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/?p=1431" target="_blank">http://chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/?p=1431</a><br>
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It's a 22Mb mp3 file there just so you know.<br>
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Chris<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:39 PM, ashley cooper <<a
href="mailto:mail.easilyamazed@gmail.com" target="_blank">mail.easilyamazed@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thank you, Harrison, Chris and Michael, for pondering my question.<br>
<br>
I appreciate that you've reinforced for me the purpose of grounding in the
present moment... really being centered in the invitation to go deeper into the
present moment... what IS happening, what is here before us now... to satiate
in the experience that has emerged and become enlivened by what has unfolded.
It's sacred, it's happened, it's here with us as a part of our being now
because we've experienced it. We <i><span style='font-style:italic'>get</span></i>
to experience what is happening now. We don't have to worry about all the other
what-ifs. Thank you for reminding me and reinforcing for me the importance of
constantly inviting into that essential starting place of the present moment...
and for focusing my attention on how slippery the slope of spending energy and
attention on the alternative possibilities can be. I look forward to holding
that more attentively within my own awareness.<br>
<br>
... and I'll keep pondering if there are words that I can say that echo that
"whatever..." intention for me with more clarity. ;)<br>
<br>
For me, I do experience the principles as an invitation. We are invited to be
with one another in this way for this shared experience. Fortunately there is
the Law, granting everyone the freedom to make their own conscious choices
about their involvement, to accept or reject the principle's invitations. The
principles help me shape the space. I've taken the time to set up tea and
coffee because I think "you" might enjoy them. I like for the room to
feel inviting and easily engagable because I want you to feel welcomed and feel
free to engage. I also am taking the time to shape the space a little by
sharing with you these principles and interesting little critters because I'd
like for you to trust your inner knowing and be present with the life that is
emerging here. My interest in pondering the language is simply an effort
to make my invitations as clear as possible...<br>
<br>
Again, thanks so much for helping me reflect into this with you!<br>
<br>
And I'd love to know of other "facts of life" sayings that exist in
other languages... including english.<br>
<br>
Warmly,<br>
Ashley<br>
in sunny <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Seattle</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Michael M Pannwitz <<a
href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org" target="_blank">mmpanne@boscop.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Dear Ashley,<br>
to me the principles are perhaps principles and certainly not rules or as <st1:place
w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place> says, prescriptions. Thus, as far as I am
concerned there is no "set of rules". Of course, the Law is
different, it really is a Law and I wish I had a surefire way of enforcing it!!
So, maybe its not a Law even but just an invitation.<br>
But what often are called "the principles" are not really principles
and perhaps also not invitations. So what on earth are they. I have taken to
call them "facts of life". The way I ran into that
"category" is by discovering (or being told about) folk sayings for
them, espcially for "Whatever..". Having been cast into
"sayings" by our ancestors suggests that they are in fact "facts
of life".<br>
In German there are probably dozens of "sayings" for
"Whatever...", different ones for different regions and dialects. The
best known by all Germans is<br>
"Wenn das Wörtchen Wenn nicht wär, wär mein Vater Millionär"<br>
these sayings are often in Rhyme form.<br>
In English it would be something like<br>
"If it were not for the little word if, my father would be a
millionär"<br>
A more direct and juicy variety is<br>
"Wenn der Hund nicht geschissen hätte, hätte er den Has gefangen"<br>
In English something like<br>
"If the dog had not stopped to take a shit he would have caught the
rabbit" (Actually, I am not sure its German because Jo Töpfer taught me
that one and he is heavily infected with Russian).<br>
A more philosophical version, maybe one of the Germans in SF can try a
translation is<br>
"Der Wenn und der Hät, hän no nie etwas gehäbt".<br>
<br>
As far as learning from this or that I myself find myself learning from what
actually happened. Reflecting on what did not happen or should have happened or
could have happened invariably leads me into speculations. That does not enrich
me so I imagine its not conducive to my learning and I think I have pretty much
given up on it...but I do remember what fun we had as kids imagining winning in
the lottery and what we would do with all that money...<br>
<br>
Greetings from <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State><br>
mmp<br>
<br>
Harrison Owen wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ashley - Unfortunately I
am not at OSONOS (wish I were) and I like what you<br>
wrote. Your thoughts and musings are all to the point, but I am not sure<br>
that rephrasing the principle will get you where you want to go. I grant you<br>
that the words could have been more eloquent, to say nothing of grammatical,<br>
but that is just sort of how they happened. You know - "Whatever happened.
.<br>
." But the real point, so far as I am concerned, is that this principle
(as<br>
indeed all of them) is descriptive, not prescriptive. There is no
"should"<br>
present or implied - just an observation of present reality. At least that<br>
is the way it seemed at the time. Where one goes from there is an open<br>
question, and a rich one. Hopes and expectations are great, and searching<br>
for alternative possibilities is obviously a key element of our adaptive<br>
behavior which lies at the root of our continuing evolution as a person and<br>
as a people. But unless all that starts from a clear point of grounding in<br>
the present moment, it seems to me that we can quickly lose our way. It is<br>
also true that were we to become so infatuated with what "might" take
place;<br>
we may well miss the opportune richness of the moment. So for me it is all<br>
about a starting place, an invitation to be present. It is also an<br>
invitation to go deeper into this present moment. For me that has always<br>
been the jump off place for truly amazing journeys. <br>
<br>
<st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place><br>
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cooper<br>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:29 PM<br>
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Subject: Whatever happens....<br>
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Hello friends around the world,<br>
<br>
Feeling those gathered in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">San
Francisco</st1:place></st1:City>, swimming in the hearty open space<br>
soup, I find a myself pondering a topic I would host if I were there... a<br>
topic I'd love to have a conversation around. <br>
I'm curious about the wording of the principle, "what ever happens is the<br>
only thing that could have". I know John Engle brought this question up in<br>
the past <a
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/news/2007/05/11/whatever-happens/"
target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org/news/2007/05/11/whatever-happens/</a>
and<br>
I'm still curious about it.<br>
<br>
I find that people sometimes use it as a block to reflection, a reason to<br>
not look back and learn from what didn't happen because "whatever happens
is<br>
the only thing that could have." Yes, and... <br>
I love the principle for the acceptance that it invites. And I struggle with<br>
it because there is a sense of finality that it also invites (if you want to<br>
let yourself go there). We did what we did and that's, that. Which is<br>
true... And...<br>
<br>
I appreciate how in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Haiti</st1:place></st1:country-region>
they are playing with What Happens is what happens<br>
- learn and move forward. I like the learn and keep moving part.<br>
<br>
Are there other ways that people phrase this principle? How do you invite<br>
the spirit of acceptance and invitations to be with what is alive and<br>
happening in the moment, while also inviting reflection and learning from<br>
what has and has not emerged?<br>
<br>
If anyone at WOSonOS is reading this and you find this conversation<br>
springing up in your face to face time, please do share your harvest with<br>
us. I'm contemplating posting a skype session tomorrow morning on this<br>
topic... and I've not yet been able to commit myself to being inside at the<br>
computer tomorrow morning!!<br>
<br>
Alive and grateful,<br>
Ashley<br>
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