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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Artur
Silva<BR><B>Sent:</B> maandag 16 juni 2008 15:39<BR><B>To:</B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> OST becoming mainstream (was:
Opening Space at Microsoft PDC)<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Jack,
Harrison and all: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">There
is strong evidence that OST is becoming mainstream. </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">I
am not speaking only based on the Microsoft event but on some other
international conferences that announced that they are going to use OST.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">But
this is also a problem. In some cases, the expression Open Space
(or even Open Space Technology) is used, but there are variants in
its application that may subvert its flavour or event its essence.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">I
am not speaking of heterodoxy - that always implies that the heterodox
knows what the orthodoxy is - but about using the label with complete
ignorance of the OST User's Guide.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Some
3 or 4 years ago a CPSquare event was announced as "OS" but the topics for
break out sessions were selected in advance by the
organizers.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">In
the Microsoft event, it happens that the person that apparently is opening
the space for that "OST" is concerned about the fact that (fortunately) he
will not be able to apply what he thinks are two rules of OST - but
they are not. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">In
a different event, where a fried of mine will have to assure the
logistics part, a lot of strange material has been asked by the
facilitator for the break out spaces of an "OST event".
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">I
know that a non proprietary methodology has no way to enforce its
principles. But there are some corrections that can be done
easily.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">As
you all know, more and more the Wikipedia is the standard for
definitions and first information about almost everything. And if one
googles "Open Space Technology" the first entry refers to the Wikipedia
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology" target=_blank
rel=nofollow><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT
color=#800080>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology</FONT></SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">But
if one reads the content there are a lot of wrong or misleading
information in it. This goes from small imperfections, like the
wording of principles, to the fact that the Law is completely
forgotten. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">The
same is true in other languages. If I google "Metodologia de Espaço
Aberto" the first enter refers to the Wikipedia in Portuguese </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espa%C3%A7o_aberto" target=_blank
rel=nofollow><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT
color=#800080>http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espa%C3%A7o_aberto</FONT></SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">.
Again the definition is very superficial.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">But
anyone can correct the wikipedia (</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia"
target=_blank rel=nofollow><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT
color=#800080>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia</FONT></SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">So,
here go my suggestions:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">1)
Harrison and a small group of friends could correct the English entry of
the Wikipedia.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">2)
Afterwards all of us could use that version as a guide and translate it in
all of our different languages to include in the Wikipedia
version in each language.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">3)
Anyhow the Wikipedia has a link to the OST site (</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/" target=_blank rel=nofollow><SPAN
lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT
color=#800080>http://www.openspaceworld.org/</FONT></SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">) but
this was initially thought, I think, as a resource for practitioners. Now
it is used also by non OST practitioners, that can't find easily (in the
main page of each language) a short, agreed upon, clarification of
the principles and fundamentals of OST. This could complement the
Wikipedia entries - or even simply repeat them. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">What
do you think about my suggestions?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Artur <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 6/13/08, Jack Martin Leith
<I><jack@jackmartinleith.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:
Jack Martin Leith <jack@jackmartinleith.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[OSLIST] Opening Space at Microsoft PDC<BR>To:
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR>Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 11:24
AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Hiya Jason.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Delighted to get your email and to see both blog comments.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Please have another look at <A
href="http://www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=232" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=232</A> where you'll see my
response to the two numbered points in our second comment (also pasted
below for the benefit of OSListers).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And please accept my apologies for getting hold of the wrong end of
the stick!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Warmest,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jack</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jack Martin Leith<BR>Creating the new. Enriching the
world<BR>Bristol, United Kingdom<BR>Mobile: 07831 840541 (+44 7831
840541)<BR>Skype: jackmartinleith<BR>email: <A
href="mailto:jack@jackmartinleith.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>jack@jackmartinleith.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.jackmartinleith.com/" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>www.jackmartinleith.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-------------------------</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>From <A href="http://www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=232" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=232</A>:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Jason Olson writes further:</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Also, as I mentioned in an email to you, there are two areas that
concern me regarding Open Space as it currently exists for PDC:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1) Due to the size of the conference (and the fact that Open Space
is just an un-conference within the larger conference), there isn't a
current plan to have attendees vote and prioritize the sessions they
want to see talked about (which, unfortunately, removes some of the
agile nature of Open Space).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2) No current support for an attendees submitting a topic he's
interested in but doesn't want to speak about or moderate himself.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As you can imagine, this has me concerned as both of them are
departures from the Open Space model. I would love to have a chat here
with you and your readers on ways that we can avoid this (or if we
should even be worrying about it). The biggest key is that I don't want
to take a great model like Open Space and butcher it because we didn't
actually "grok" the true purposes behind Open Space.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>My response to Jason's two posts:</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jason, thanks very much for clearing up my misunderstanding.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>With regard to your two concerns, neither of the practices you
describe forms part of the vanilla Open Space model as described by
Harrison Owen in his book, Open Space Technology: A User's Guide.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In fact most Open Space facilitators don't even suggest that very
similar sessions are merged – this is left to the session leaders
(convenors, hosts, whatever you like to call them) to manage
themselves.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regarding your second point, Open Space is very much about people
taking responsibility for hosting a session. Otherwise Open Space is
little more than a brainstorming meeting: "I think this is an
interesting idea, but I don't care enough to do something about
it."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'm sure other Open Space practitioners will have more to say about
both of these points!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jack</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-------------------------<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2008/6/13 Jason Olson (DPE) <<A
href="mailto:Jason.Olson@microsoft.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>Jason.Olson@microsoft.com</A>>:<BR>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Thanks for the email
Jack! I commented on your blog post directly to make the conversation
more public. My wording may have been a bit unclear. There is no
creating of the agenda ahead of the conference. This is something that
is created onsite, at the conference, by the attendees and for the
attendees. This also enables me to avoid having us (Microsoft) try to
"dictate" what can or can't be discussed. This should be an agile
process. </SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">The part that
concerns me right now (and where we currently deviate from a typical
Open Space), is that there is no "attendees vote for the sessions they
would like to see and we use that to determine what is presented."
Because of the potential number of people involved, combined with the
fact that this is merely a smaller unconference within a larger
conference, I'm not convinced that it would work. So, currently, it's
largely "first come, first serve" when people sign up for an Open
Space session. Also, there's really not a supported model for
submitting a session you want to hear about, but have no clue who can
moderate/or discuss the session in general.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">As you can imagine,
these two changes make me a bit uneasy considering the departure from
what makes Open Space great. </SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Of course, I would
love to hear feedback from you and others if this is a big deal (and
if we should even worry about it), or if we should avoid this and find
a different way for the prioritization and participation to occur.
</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"></SPAN> </P>
<P><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #006fa4">Jason
Olson</SPAN></B><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: gray"></SPAN></B></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray">Technical Evangelist
| Visual Studio & .NET Framework Evangelism | </SPAN></P>
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href="http://www.managed-world.com/" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://www.managed-world.com/</A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray"></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"></SPAN> </P>
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<P><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:jackmartinleith@gmail.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>jackmartinleith@gmail.com</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:jackmartinleith@gmail.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>jackmartinleith@gmail.com</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jack
Martin Leith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 13, 2008 9:11
AM<BR><B>To:</B> OSLIST<BR><B>Cc:</B> Jason Olson
(DPE)<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Opening Space at Microsoft
PDC</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P> </P>
<DIV>
<P>Harrison,</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P>Big thanks for the heads up.</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P>I've just blogged it here: <A
href="http://www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=231" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=231</A></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P>As you'll see, I'm questioning the decision to create the agenda
ahead of the conference.</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P>Best wishes,</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P>Jack</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Jack Martin Leith<BR>Creating the new.
Enriching the world<BR>Bristol, United Kingdom<BR>Mobile: 07831 840541
(+44 7831 840541)<BR>Skype: jackmartinleith<BR>email: <A
href="mailto:jack@jackmartinleith.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>jack@jackmartinleith.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.jackmartinleith.com/" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>www.jackmartinleith.com</A> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P>2008/6/13 Harrison Owen <<A href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>hhowen@verizon.net</A>>:</P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Seems like the folks at the annual
Microsoft Professional Development Conference are intending to open a
little space. Definitely cutting edge, innovative – Cheers for
Microsoft. For the details go to:</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
href="http://microsoftpdc.com/View.aspx?post=91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:8590057"
target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://microsoftpdc.com/View.aspx?post=91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:8590057</A>
Don't have any idea who is doing it, but I am sure they will have a
grand time.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Harrison </SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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